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the extraordinary phenomenon

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the great mysteries of the world with

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welcome everybody to epic voyages radio

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here on inception radio network we have

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a terrific pair with us tonight my

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guests are Robin Trish McGregor they

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were with me a couple of months ago

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talking about synchronicity and we just

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didn't have enough time to talk about

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this second book and I wanted to so

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that's what we're gonna do tonight we're

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going to be talking about aliens in the

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backyard

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and it's a very auspicious time to be

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talking about aliens and UFOs and

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abductions - let me get a few little

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bits of information out there for you as

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resources first of all our shows are

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always archived on inception radio

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they're at Dark Matter we have a website

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that finally we are working on in

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renovating it epic voyageurs dot-com

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of our epic team members to write

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articles and points of view for that and

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we also have facebook we have Instagram

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sure if you want to ask questions in

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this first hour and of course during the

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second hour you could go to the chat

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room and inception radio network and

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type them right into the chat room also

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I'm going to be putting up some images

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and links to websites for the MacGregors

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quick special announcement and we're

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going to get underway here I wanted to

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tell everyone that our epic voyagers

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founder and president Ken cherry has a

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brand new book that's available at our

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epic voyagers calm

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and these are going to be autographed

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autograph mark Slade investigates the

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Stephenville UFO this book is based on

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Ken's firsthand experiences during the

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famous January 2008 UFO sightings in

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Stephenville and Central Texas and all

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of 2008 the research they did the

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investigations everything Ken's going to

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two weeks to talk about his book and

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that time in his life and the

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experiences so be sure that you mark

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your calendars and don't forget to come

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back and listen to that interview it's

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going to be pretty interesting

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so with that remember that we're talking

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about aliens in the backyard tonight the

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book written by Robin Trish McGregor I'm

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are they are prolific authors with a

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and maybe other dimensions and this book

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time to do anything at all with the

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number of books that you've written Rob

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nonfiction books and he's also teamed up

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fiction they both have won the coveted

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are you guys doing down in Florida

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we're doing good very good wonderful hot

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hot and sticky I bet your book was so

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interesting you seems like you focused

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people but you really focused on a man

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grips with it and accept it and decide

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more women but then as I said your book

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themselves and in 2012 National

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about UFOs and ETS 77% that's almost

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planet one in ten think that they

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estimates are as good as the work that

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went into setting up the design but what

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do these data say to you - about about

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the topic of your book well I think one

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mhm you know and and even though a lot

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of abductees are afraid to come forward

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consensus reality about these matters

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mainstream media their approach to UFO

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number and it says for English press one

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only this time it was safe for UFO

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reports or questions press five that's

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amazing you know I've been doing a lot

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of reading like lately about some of the

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fun of people or they just dismiss them

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out of hand and won't even discuss it I

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a woman did such a terrible research

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study and she was at Harvard who she's

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cryptic yeah something about that that

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was it that what a put-down and she her

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she was it was when John Mac was still

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alive and he was either he had just

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written his book or you know was doing

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his research on a lien on abductees and

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mistake and so she wrote it was either a

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for even looking into this stuff they

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end his tenure and I guess he you know

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he fought back and he want he got well

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he knew his reason well then go ahead

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Rob go ahead

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well she she began with the premise that

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well what she was doing was interviewing

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interviewing people who had alien

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abduction experiences but in her book

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she says right off the bat she's

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starting with the premise that there

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none of these people really had

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abduction experiences because there are

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no aliens there are no UFOs here all

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right thing is a UFO so that's obviously

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not what's going on here let's talk

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about something else

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therefore you depressed and deluded

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oh yeah I remember Stan busted you know

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that's right and Stan Friedman came out

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you had a comment I think in the book

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where he pointed out he was horrified

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that someone at Harvard didn't take a

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look at it before it went to publication

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because it's just embarrassing I mean

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research is not defined by starting out

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with a prejudice or a bias and then

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writing to make sure everybody

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understands that you were correct I mean

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that's just not research well that that

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was at well in addition to those kinds

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of treatments they do they tend to blame

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people for having hypnotic implanted

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suggestions or memories or it was a

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memory of something that happened to

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them as a child and they're they're

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choosing to remember it as aliens

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because the truth is too horrifying to

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them I don't being abducted by an alien

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sounds pretty horrifying to me well I

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mean the point is they always start from

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the place of you're lying or you're

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deluded mm-hmm you know there's nothing

310
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about well let's look into this and

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that's what Mac did it was different

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mm-hmm you know he actually started

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regressing I don't remember that I saw

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it in your book but you too might have a

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kind of a ballpark figure for this do

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you have any idea how many actual

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abductees have been questioned or

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interviewed by legitimate researchers by

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this point no idea at all there are a

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lot of different groups like there's a

321
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group called experiencers who look at

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these experiences as the glass is

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half-full you know like it was really

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really positive it changed everything

325
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and they do their own interviews but you

326
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know there's a lot of different

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organizations that do this but I would

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say I think we can accurately say that

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it's a tiny tiny minority have been

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interviewed and have or have had

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hypnotic regressions most people who

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have these experiences don't want to

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publicize them they don't want to be

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ridiculed and that's

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what the the the case of the couple that

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you mentioned and that wrote about that

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that was the man's point of view he

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didn't have anyone to talk to but he he

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was having he had this experience and it

340
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was he just had a personal crisis

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basically a breakdown that he went

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through and his wife just said she she

343
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had a whole different perspective she

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said we experienced something that most

345
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people will never experience we should

346
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just accept that as something that is

347
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wonderful almost that happened to us and

348
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just let it go

349
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but he couldn't let it go because his

350
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whole world had changed he didn't

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believe in UFOs he thought that was

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something that from Hollywood and that

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if he's a Canadian from near the

354
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Montreal in the Montreal area and he

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felt that if there was such thing as

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aliens and UFOs that the US military

357
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would have told us about it long ago and

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which is kind of naive point of view

359
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yeah no kidding but because he works in

360
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a you know he's afraid of losing his

361
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jobs which is why we had to use a

362
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pseudonym for him but with a Connie

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cannon the woman who was abducted with

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her son she's at an age where she said

365
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she just doesn't care who knows you know

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so she let us use her complete name her

367
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history and everything she said much

368
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about her son's reaction at this point

369
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as he gets older with that experience

370
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because he was awake sitting there with

371
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it he yeah I mean he still has

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experiences she sent us photos of UFOs

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that he's taken one of them we had sent

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to Whitley Strieber and as a result we

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all went on to his radio show to talk

376
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about this particular photo but yeah yes

377
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he still has experiences and how old is

378
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he now he's in his 30s oh my goodness

379
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Wow yeah I mean they're experienced

380
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happened in 1981 mm-hmm quite a while

381
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back and they it was go ahead I was

382
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on an Air Force Base or something like

383
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that yeah well they were moving from

384
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southern Georgia to st. Augustine and

385
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she and her youngest son were in a car

386
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behind the husband and the other two

387
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sons who were in the moving man and they

388
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were driving i-75 and it was night

389
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now I 75 at night is dark and it's it's

390
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a little unnerving especially if you're

391
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you know a mother with with a kid but

392
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suddenly she found that they weren't on

393
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i-75 anymore and she couldn't figure out

394
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what had happened because she hadn't

395
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taken an exit and then all of a sudden

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they find themselves on an Air Force

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Base and she and her son are on the

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ground kneeling in front of these

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militia guys with assault rifles she who

400
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also had ETS with them great Oh

401
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oh my god her head you've got choppers

402
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did her were like and a ship and they

403
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were being threatened

404
00:20:59,380 --> 00:20:56,720
and one of the military guy said if you

405
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ever and then she didn't know what else

406
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seems like it's pretty hard for a woman

407
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with her little boy driving down a road

408
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to get on to a military installation and

409
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get to that point without somebody

410
00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:19,610
helping him get there exactly and when

411
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they when they left they didn't know how

412
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to get off the base and they they

413
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stopped at what Connie described as a

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convenience store a convenience store

415
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but military bases don't have

416
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convenience stores so there's some

417
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questions about what she was actually

418
00:21:43,630 --> 00:21:41,540
experiencing they have commissaries but

419
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not convenience stores but she was told

420
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that well the the only way to get off

421
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the base is the same way you came on and

422
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she said she had no idea how she she got

423
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on the base but eventually she was able

424
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to get back on to the to the interstate

425
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but it's a it's a fascinating story

426
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because there's just

427
00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:07,000
so many different levels to it of what

428
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:10,470
was going on and her she ended up

429
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arriving at the house about more than

430
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two hours I was five or six hours that

431
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was yeah long after she is supposed to

432
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be and her husband and the other two two

433
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boys had just gone on ahead because this

434
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was it in the days before cellphones I

435
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didn't they thought maybe they'd stop

436
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:29,590
for a bite to eat or something and they

437
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:31,090
must have been absolutely going crazy

438
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were there two hours yeah well that

439
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would be the first interstate highway

440
00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:37,750
that I know of that runs right through a

441
00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:40,300
military installation I'll tell you well

442
00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:42,670
actually it was the installation was

443
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:47,020
Warner Robins and it's about 12 12 to 15

444
00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:51,130
miles off i-75 yeah so that makes it

445
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:54,940
even harder yeah well and this is not

446
00:23:02,190 --> 00:22:56,940
just stuff that's been happening since

447
00:23:06,780 --> 00:23:02,200
1947 there's there's a lot of documents

448
00:23:11,030 --> 00:23:06,790
books ancient texts paintings all kinds

449
00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:11,040
of things that show that some kind of

450
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:13,150
sightings of what could only be called

451
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:16,750
UFOs have been happening for hundreds if

452
00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:18,850
not thousands of years right well that's

453
00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:21,630
what ancient aliens is about the TV show

454
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:24,430
basically right and and there's the

455
00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:26,650
pictures of the Vimanas that are in some

456
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of the ancient hindu paintings and

457
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:31,960
things from the Middle Ages and that's

458
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:33,970
not even counting the writing it's just

459
00:23:40,530 --> 00:23:38,410
the visual arts but you bring up a point

460
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in the book were you saying well why are

461
00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:42,400
they here are they here to help us are

462
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:44,350
they just observing and collecting data

463
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:45,970
and they're just gonna watch but they're

464
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gonna be the separate observers or are

465
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they here to take advantage or at worst

466
00:23:56,910 --> 00:23:55,000
setup the end of our species yeah

467
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there's really not a firm answer to that

468
00:24:00,720 --> 00:23:58,960
is there no you get a million different

469
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:00,730
answers I mean there's some people who

470
00:24:04,350 --> 00:24:02,110
believe that they're here to help us

471
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:04,360
evolve there's some people who believe

472
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that they're evil and then there's other

473
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people who believe that you know it's an

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expedition and probably the answer is

475
00:24:18,030 --> 00:24:15,610
all of the above

476
00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:18,040
yeah it could be because I mean if the

477
00:24:22,590 --> 00:24:20,740
different species are coming from

478
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:22,600
different cultures and planets with

479
00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:26,770
different plans in mind it could be some

480
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:29,260
of all that what could also be different

481
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:33,130
dimensions mm hmm hmm so I you know I

482
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:36,100
don't think anybody really knows but

483
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:38,290
there's one theory that there is like a

484
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,350
cosmic war going on between some of

485
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these groups that are aligned with each

486
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other and that planet Earth is in is

487
00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:53,650
part part of the part of it but we don't

488
00:24:59,100 --> 00:24:56,470
know exactly you know what what's going

489
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,110
on there's it's a it's like a war at a

490
00:25:04,530 --> 00:25:02,080
higher level of consciousness than we're

491
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:04,540
aware of where there's probably not

492
00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:07,840
weapons like we have with guns and

493
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:10,840
bullets and bombs but different a

494
00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:15,490
different sort of war altogether and you

495
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:17,320
know some people some of these abductees

496
00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:19,930
who have had sperm and ovum taken from

497
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:21,430
them believe that there's an actual

498
00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:24,370
breeding program mm-hmm so you know

499
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:26,830
that's another whole facet to this thing

500
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:29,500
yeah I've read a couple of different

501
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:32,170
writers opinions that maybe some of

502
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:35,260
these civilizations just can't read

503
00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:37,090
themselves successfully anymore and

504
00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:39,220
they're dying out so they're trying to

505
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:42,100
kick start their own civilizations again

506
00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:45,810
by borrowing DNA I can understand that

507
00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:49,150
well some women who've experienced this

508
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:50,620
we write about this one woman in the

509
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:51,970
book Diane fine

510
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:56,320
yeah after her experience a few maybe

511
00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:58,150
five or six years later she had an other

512
00:26:04,110 --> 00:25:59,710
experience where she found herself on a

513
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:04,120
craft and they showed her a child a real

514
00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:07,380
sickly infant and this also happened to

515
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:10,150
Connie you know whether it was actually

516
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:11,680
shown this is your baby

517
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:15,250
yeah with with Diane no it's really

518
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:17,230
interesting when she was in high school

519
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:19,210
she was diagnosed with cystic ovary

520
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:22,330
disease mm-hmm and was told she would

521
00:26:25,890 --> 00:26:24,220
never be able to have kids she'd had

522
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:25,900
three surgeries by the time she was in

523
00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:27,490
our late teens

524
00:26:33,299 --> 00:26:29,830
and yet while living in a college town

525
00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:33,309
upstate New York she began to manifest

526
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:35,260
symptoms of a pregnancy so she went to

527
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:38,500
her family doctor and he said you're

528
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:41,890
pregnant and she was shocked and so is

529
00:26:46,169 --> 00:26:43,330
the doctor because it wasn't supposed to

530
00:26:48,029 --> 00:26:46,179
happen and in those days there was

531
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:48,039
nothing in upstate New York to handle

532
00:26:52,169 --> 00:26:49,480
what the doctor considered was a

533
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:52,179
high-risk pregnancy so he sent her to a

534
00:26:59,460 --> 00:26:57,370
clinic in Burlington Vermont so she and

535
00:27:01,769 --> 00:26:59,470
her it's like three hour trip from where

536
00:27:07,019 --> 00:27:01,779
she's at a car so she and two roommates

537
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,029
left one morning and I guess this gets

538
00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:09,520
strange as they went through the town of

539
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,539
Denham aura a really thick fog right

540
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:15,279
after they went through Denham a really

541
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:18,010
thick fog moved in and they could she

542
00:27:21,149 --> 00:27:19,480
couldn't meet the driver couldn't see so

543
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:21,159
they suggested well let's pull off the

544
00:27:27,149 --> 00:27:23,380
road wait till the fog passes so they

545
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,159
found this driveway pulled up to a barn

546
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:29,440
that had been converted into what looked

547
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:31,809
like you know like a soda fountain or an

548
00:27:37,769 --> 00:27:35,260
old restaurant and they were waiting on

549
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:37,779
by what she described as an elderly

550
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:43,210
couple small short and they ordered soda

551
00:27:49,019 --> 00:27:46,720
pop and Diane said after that first sip

552
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,029
of that drink that was the last thing

553
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,039
she remembered until she and her

554
00:27:58,769 --> 00:27:54,640
roommates were at the ferry dock ready

555
00:28:01,139 --> 00:27:58,779
to cross Lake Champlain Wow the drink

556
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:01,149
was something very sweet and nothing

557
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:03,010
like they had ever tasted before and

558
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:05,890
then they just didn't have any memory of

559
00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:07,929
what happened after that just it was

560
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:10,750
also late afternoon and they they had

561
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:12,250
left early morning by the time they

562
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:13,960
reached the ferry station it was late

563
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:15,220
afternoon so obviously there was some

564
00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:17,260
missing time here so then she gets to

565
00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:20,919
the clinic and she's examined and the

566
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:23,140
nurse calls in somebody else and they

567
00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:24,730
confer for a few minutes and then they

568
00:28:30,029 --> 00:28:27,909
tell him you're not pregnant and yet

569
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:30,039
they had the urine test the blood tests

570
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:31,480
everything that said she had them

571
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:35,080
pregnant and that's it what it was

572
00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:36,730
wasn't until a few years later that she

573
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:38,440
started reading about abductions and

574
00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:40,120
missing pregnancies and she figured out

575
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:40,800
what

576
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,990
happen to her but she was so upset by

577
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:44,340
the time she left there they had to give

578
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:46,110
her a valium because she knew something

579
00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:48,530
had happened she just didn't know what

580
00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:51,630
then the kicker to it is as they were

581
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:54,780
coming back the same way driving back

582
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,810
after they got off the ferry coming

583
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:00,240
towards Dannemora they found that that

584
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:03,090
roadway where they had gone and they

585
00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:04,920
drove in there and there was no

586
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:06,180
restaurant there no barn

587
00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:09,930
no nothing oh my goodness sounds a

588
00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:14,040
little bit like screen what am i one of

589
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:16,830
my favorite movies the one that happens

590
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:20,310
in Scotland we're at Brigadoon where

591
00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:22,890
there's a there's a terrible fog and the

592
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:24,420
town only appears once every hundred

593
00:29:29,030 --> 00:29:26,160
years all right

594
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:29,040
yeah only this is this is scary that's

595
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:34,050
kind of a charming movie but we've got a

596
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:35,610
question let me remind everybody that

597
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:37,950
we're listening to Rob and Trish

598
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:40,410
MacGregor talked about their book aliens

599
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:41,940
in the backyard and I've posted the

600
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:44,220
image there of the book cover in the

601
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:46,650
chat room a couple of times and if you

602
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:49,410
go to Inception Radio Network calm and

603
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:51,630
go to chatroom you can jump in there and

604
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,230
send me questions like Carol just did

605
00:29:59,270 --> 00:29:56,940
one for Robin Trish and I think this is

606
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:59,280
a pretty interesting question if you

607
00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:01,620
were invited to go offworld by aliens

608
00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:05,280
both of you what would you do you mean

609
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:09,390
what would we say tell me what you would

610
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,950
say might be different from what you

611
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:13,200
could do I probably run home screaming

612
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:15,330
huh well I wouldn't want to go without

613
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:17,730
my dog no me either the interesting

614
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:20,210
thing is that doesn't seem to happen

615
00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:23,190
what happens is that you are just taken

616
00:30:29,030 --> 00:30:25,950
I mean I can't think of any examples

617
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:29,040
where somebody was just approached and

618
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:31,710
said would you like to go on this ship

619
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:34,220
now and take a cruise to another planet

620
00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:38,100
I've never heard that but if these

621
00:30:44,390 --> 00:30:42,140
things have happened but it's all under

622
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:44,400
lessons your wealth against your will

623
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:51,090
and less than comfortable scenarios yeah

624
00:30:58,189 --> 00:30:55,049
I think the smiling fella

625
00:31:01,159 --> 00:30:58,199
in close encounters who willingly just

626
00:31:03,439 --> 00:31:01,169
was skipping gaily onto the mothership

627
00:31:05,539 --> 00:31:03,449
with with all the other astronauts the

628
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:05,549
only time I've seen someone look like

629
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,940
they were really willing to go right and

630
00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:11,279
they don't that movie - with the all the

631
00:31:15,739 --> 00:31:14,449
old folks from the old boku-kun right oh

632
00:31:20,569 --> 00:31:15,749
yeah

633
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,579
reminding me of Soylent Green and we're

634
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:22,399
not going to go there yeah all right

635
00:31:28,579 --> 00:31:25,559
well let's let's go back to the very

636
00:31:29,589 --> 00:31:28,589
beginning and I know two stories in your

637
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:29,599
book that I thought were really

638
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:33,059
interesting some my question is how did

639
00:31:37,009 --> 00:31:35,159
you get involved in this particular line

640
00:31:39,139 --> 00:31:37,019
of inquiry and when did you start and

641
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:39,149
I'm going to ask you if you would to

642
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:41,129
talk about your Ouija board story

643
00:31:50,239 --> 00:31:42,419
because I thought it was really

644
00:31:54,819 --> 00:31:50,249
interesting our admission well first of

645
00:31:59,719 --> 00:31:54,829
all we we've both been fascinated by

646
00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,729
UFOs since childhood and we both had

647
00:32:05,409 --> 00:32:02,940
some experiences when we were young one

648
00:32:07,729 --> 00:32:05,419
or two experiences I clearly remember

649
00:32:10,069 --> 00:32:07,739
being eight or nine years old and

650
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:10,079
standing out in the dark on the

651
00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:14,190
intersection near where I lived and it's

652
00:32:19,879 --> 00:32:16,979
something that I would never do I was I

653
00:32:23,539 --> 00:32:19,889
was young and my mother would always you

654
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:23,549
know by sundown or so we would unless I

655
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:27,419
was with some parents were outside with

656
00:32:33,399 --> 00:32:30,779
other kids I wouldn't be out there by my

657
00:32:35,779 --> 00:32:33,409
I was out there by my myself and

658
00:32:39,469 --> 00:32:35,789
standing in the intersection looking up

659
00:32:42,829 --> 00:32:39,479
and seeing these lights I still could

660
00:32:46,539 --> 00:32:42,839
still can picture these lights green red

661
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:46,549
blue and they're moving in circles and

662
00:32:55,129 --> 00:32:50,940
making strange movements through the sky

663
00:32:56,899 --> 00:32:55,139
and I'm just standing there and then I

664
00:33:00,559 --> 00:32:56,909
go in and my mother

665
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:00,569
strangely says we wanted we just decided

666
00:33:05,239 --> 00:33:03,569
we would let you stand out the stand out

667
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,249
there and see how long you would be out

668
00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:07,440
by yourself tonight which was unusual

669
00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:08,680
for the

670
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:10,900
her to say something like that and that

671
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:13,390
then the next day my father told the

672
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:17,080
story of what I saw and my father the

673
00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:19,780
next day told me that he had heard on

674
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:21,640
the radio that other people had reported

675
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:24,340
seeing these same lights in the sky so

676
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:27,730
that was my first experience that was is

677
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:29,650
very clear and you had something in

678
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,230
college no I had something I went to I

679
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:35,440
was born and raised overseas and by the

680
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:38,350
time I would finish ninth grade there

681
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:40,390
were no other schools to go to so I got

682
00:33:44,010 --> 00:33:41,590
shipped off to a boarding school

683
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:44,020
assjuice 'its and one night after lights

684
00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:45,910
out we're in this other girl's room

685
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:48,550
there were seven or eight of us and you

686
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:50,920
know talking and doing whatever girls

687
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:55,240
that age to being bad and through the

688
00:34:01,440 --> 00:33:58,450
window I saw what I knew was a UFO I

689
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:01,450
mean first it was stationary then it

690
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,090
kind of meandered back and forth and

691
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:05,440
then I called the other girl's attention

692
00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:07,690
to it and we must have watched this

693
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:09,399
thing for I don't know five or ten

694
00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:11,860
minutes and then it shot off like it's a

695
00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:15,870
speed of light I thought wow does UFO

696
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,880
yeah so we've had some experiences since

697
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:21,280
no sightings but the the Ouija board

698
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:24,820
story that was something very near the

699
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:27,929
time where we met shortly after we met

700
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:32,320
in the early nineteen eighties 1981 and

701
00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:36,610
I had I just said to Trish why don't we

702
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:38,440
get a Ouija board and see what happens

703
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:41,110
so we went out to a hobby type store

704
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:45,880
found one bought it and so I started

705
00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:48,010
messing around with that first it was

706
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:50,380
very slow moving and then suddenly it

707
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,720
seemed to pick up and started spelling

708
00:35:03,900 --> 00:34:57,880
words making sense making sense and

709
00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:03,910
answering questions and and what we were

710
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:07,300
told is that the we were in

711
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:10,600
communication with somebody on a craft

712
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:13,630
so we asked for proof yeah so yeah I was

713
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:16,030
working as a newspaper reporter and and

714
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:21,839
I know from my just from my reading that

715
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:26,280
Ouija boards are you may get some

716
00:35:30,859 --> 00:35:29,070
interesting information but they're

717
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:30,869
they're not very trustworthy as far as

718
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:40,970
factual information and so very gracious

719
00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:45,510
so we asked for proof and we were told

720
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:47,580
well first the lights went off yeah

721
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:49,830
lights blinked on and off several times

722
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:54,510
oh okay yeah that was strange and then

723
00:36:03,560 --> 00:35:58,160
we were told to go to the airport and

724
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:03,570
and and watch the sky so we were at

725
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,780
Trish's apartment in she lived in Fort

726
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:08,400
Lauderdale I lived in Hollywood Florida

727
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:11,400
about ten miles away and so he went to

728
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:15,359
the air the Fort Lauderdale Airport

729
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:17,130
which at that time was pretty small you

730
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,260
could drive up to the fence and just

731
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,000
park on the outside of the fence and sit

732
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:24,000
back and watch the airplanes taking off

733
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,430
and landing and so this was about one

734
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,619
o'clock the airport was pretty quiet one

735
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,660
o'clock in the morning and we were out

736
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,060
there for about an hour so just watching

737
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:36,240
the sky and you know nothing happened I

738
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:40,940
thought that that figures so you know we

739
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:46,770
we we headed home and I had to be up

740
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:51,119
early in the morning to to the to be to

741
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,190
work at the newspaper and as soon as I

742
00:37:00,200 --> 00:36:56,640
got there I got assigned to go to a

743
00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:00,210
school board meeting and I had to sit

744
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:04,080
through a school board meeting and and I

745
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,470
had to call in a story about 10:30 for

746
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:09,540
the first deadline and then I had to

747
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:12,359
rush back and expand the story for the

748
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:14,490
second deadline so I was in the office

749
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:16,950
typing away typing away in there and

750
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:20,730
there was another reporter in the in the

751
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:23,250
next at the next desk and she was typing

752
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:25,290
away typing away and we both finished

753
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:27,330
our stories about the same time and I

754
00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:30,119
turned to her and I asked what were you

755
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,540
writing about she said a UFO was sighted

756
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:35,040
last night by

757
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,650
the COTS over Perry Airport I said Perry

758
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:39,780
Airport that's that's in Hollywood

759
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,170
you're where I live the wrong Airport is

760
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:46,320
fun we went to port but you know those

761
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:48,630
the the police said I'd seen it was

762
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:51,210
hovering over Perry or Airport so that

763
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,730
night we got together again let's go to

764
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,880
Perry Airport we went there drove up

765
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,760
there completely dark there a very small

766
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:02,520
airport private Airport and again we

767
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:04,430
spent about an hour there staring up

768
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:08,220
nothing again so then we're we're in

769
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:12,510
separate cars and we're heading out and

770
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:17,280
we get down to a red light and I play

771
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:18,870
around with the radio and suddenly I

772
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:23,220
start getting something unusual like an

773
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:28,130
old drama like from the 1940s before

774
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:31,590
before television and some late night

775
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:36,210
drama that I had and I listened to it

776
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:39,570
and amazingly one of the characters is

777
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:42,060
an alien and I couldn't believe it you

778
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:42,300
know

779
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:46,110
after two nights of this and Michoud on

780
00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:47,700
sleep and then I'm listening to this

781
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,060
radio drama of an alien talking to me

782
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:53,460
that's amazing and if you'd only gone to

783
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:56,910
the other Airport instead yeah that's

784
00:39:04,520 --> 00:38:57,930
amazing

785
00:39:06,670 --> 00:39:04,530
write about in your book has I'm going

786
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:06,680
to say that this has an overlap with

787
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,180
sightings of ghost ships and things like

788
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:11,040
that and a lot of this book also

789
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:12,900
overlaps with the other book we talked

790
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:13,800
about a couple of months ago

791
00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:16,740
synchronicity both of them are excellent

792
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,360
books and you've got a couple of more

793
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:20,640
out since then that relate to the same

794
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:23,760
topic so everybody highly recommended go

795
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:26,250
to amazon.com and you have it's on

796
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:30,660
Kindle too right right yes okay so but

797
00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:32,910
you I was fascinated one of the very

798
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:34,860
first things in this book that you talk

799
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:38,190
about is a trip you took all the way to

800
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:41,060
I believe the south tip of South America

801
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:43,770
and you heard that there was a ghost

802
00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:46,020
ship down there and you actually sort of

803
00:39:50,849 --> 00:39:48,700
went looking for it it was our honeymoon

804
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:50,859
huh not everybody does that for their

805
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:54,190
honey well this Chilean airline had

806
00:39:59,220 --> 00:39:56,470
really inexpensive tickets and you got

807
00:40:03,089 --> 00:39:59,230
to stop an Ecuador and in Chile so we

808
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:03,099
flew to Chile first and on the plane I

809
00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:04,780
had sat we were sitting next to a

810
00:40:08,910 --> 00:40:06,849
Chilean woman and I asked her I said

811
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:08,920
well where could we go in Chile that

812
00:40:13,170 --> 00:40:11,230
were there's myth and superstition you

813
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:13,180
know and weird stuff she says hahaha

814
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:17,859
legends she goes uh Hollywood she never

815
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:18,730
heard of this place

816
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:20,680
no it's a little island away Oh cute

817
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:22,030
away that's right Hollywood you wish

818
00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:23,710
this ship yeah yeah and then she told me

819
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:25,420
about the ghost ship to college and how

820
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:27,490
people in Chile way believe in mermaids

821
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:29,140
I mean so I said that's where we're

822
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:34,740
going Wow we ended up yeah and the

823
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:38,770
situation how we look at it with the

824
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:44,430
carlucci is that well tell me what the

825
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:48,220
ecology is is a ghost ship that several

826
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,210
times a year appears in this one port on

827
00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:54,640
the island it's not really a port it's

828
00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:57,640
just a shallow that's a shower size

829
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:00,460
could not could not enter right did that

830
00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:03,790
ship ever really exist no there's no

831
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:06,190
record of it okay okay so it's those

832
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:10,740
ship of a ghost ship right okay in fact

833
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:14,500
the word call each a comes from a Native

834
00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:19,420
American language called it's hard to

835
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:23,500
pronounce ma PUD ung you nmap food and

836
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:28,869
gun and it's it's a combination of two

837
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:32,410
words from the language Carlton

838
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:36,450
which is C Aleu TN which means transfer

839
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:40,000
transform or change States and che CH e

840
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:44,490
means people so it's like transformation

841
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:51,310
transforming States and the so it's it

842
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:53,470
goes far beyond just sightings of this

843
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:55,450
ghost ship there are actually abductions

844
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:57,490
and that's what it was we found

845
00:42:02,010 --> 00:41:59,290
fascinating the

846
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:02,020
the similar similarities to alien

847
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,130
abductions and we found they also have

848
00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:09,280
their own men in black yeah so oh yeah I

849
00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:11,590
remember that now right godless

850
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:15,820
negotiate they come ashore and there's

851
00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:20,410
one story of a man who disappeared for

852
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:23,140
fifty years and was found by his brother

853
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,510
sitting in their abandoned childhood

854
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:28,000
home wearing the same clothes he had

855
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:29,650
been wearing when he disappeared and

856
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:32,110
when they asked him where he'd been he

857
00:42:37,350 --> 00:42:34,840
said on a boat and not to ask him any

858
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:37,360
more questions oh my goodness and

859
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:40,690
there's another man named Juan Antonio

860
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:44,110
Fernandez who was 16 when he left home

861
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:47,650
at dawn one day to go fishing anyone and

862
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:49,210
he said he was abducted by the crew of

863
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,390
the kala you see he recalled that he was

864
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:54,640
missing for two days they recalled that

865
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:56,260
what happened is when he arrived at a

866
00:43:00,360 --> 00:42:58,570
small hill that overlooked the beach he

867
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:00,370
heard a strange humming noise like

868
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:03,190
motors and then when he was found by his

869
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:04,990
family two days later just wandering

870
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,690
aimlessly around he had this terrible

871
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:11,200
scar on his chest shaped like a gigantic

872
00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:16,120
hand with long narrow fingers and these

873
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:19,720
stories we learned were from a book by a

874
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:20,790
Chilean author

875
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:25,360
Antonio tabbies and but we also asked

876
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:26,620
people who live there we found this

877
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,380
fisherman who was on the beach and

878
00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:33,040
started asking him questions and you

879
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:36,100
know he he was kind of he was kind of

880
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:37,840
funny in the way that he here he was a

881
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:40,570
fisherman who said that the legend for

882
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:42,250
instance about the mermaids was that if

883
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:44,740
the fish were running the mermaid would

884
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:47,080
be facing Shores so the fisherman would

885
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:48,820
know it and if the fish weren't running

886
00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:50,590
she'd be facing the ocean and they would

887
00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:52,600
know not to go out and then he sort of

888
00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:54,580
laughed he goes but that's that's a

889
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,430
legend my grandfather told me yeah and

890
00:44:02,850 --> 00:43:59,470
yet you walk into restaurants and you

891
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:02,860
see you know ashtrays that shaped like

892
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:05,800
mermaids you see little icons of ghost

893
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:07,900
ships you know so I mean it's it's

894
00:44:12,810 --> 00:44:11,710
definitely part of the urban lore but go

895
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:12,820
ahead Rob yeah it's

896
00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:14,890
something unique there in centuries

897
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:17,080
pastors and mythical creatures such as

898
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,410
fairies and the Djinn in Arab lands that

899
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:22,480
were said to abduct people so it's not

900
00:44:30,060 --> 00:44:26,890
the manat the only case of that that

901
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:30,070
happening but III look at it as like a

902
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:33,900
screen memory that's been implanted that

903
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:37,570
they could the people of this island

904
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:41,610
could accept the sense of a ghost ship

905
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:44,650
but not these not aliens and a goat in a

906
00:44:50,070 --> 00:44:48,010
UFO right there are several hundred

907
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:50,080
years ago they could accept the idea of

908
00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:54,130
a fairy right yeah yeah yeah an alien

909
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:57,400
would be the inconceivable but it's

910
00:45:02,910 --> 00:44:59,650
interesting to think that maybe those

911
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:02,920
stories that are so similar we are

912
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:05,530
relating to the same perpetrators it's

913
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:07,990
just that they've been given different

914
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:10,210
labels and that was almost my very next

915
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,010
question is can you explain what's green

916
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:15,040
memories are yeah the interesting thing

917
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:18,250
about screen memories is the question

918
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:23,040
does the human mind create these the

919
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:25,780
changed memories for example instead of

920
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:29,440
seeing small grey creatures seeing owls

921
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:35,440
or or deer or are they something that

922
00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:39,310
the aliens themselves have some effect

923
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,350
over on our minds because they do seem

924
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:44,140
to have a connection with human

925
00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:45,820
consciousness with human consciousness I

926
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:51,070
think that's a key part they are able to

927
00:45:57,620 --> 00:45:53,850
communicate telepathically with us and

928
00:45:59,820 --> 00:45:57,630
it seems that they could even possibly

929
00:46:01,440 --> 00:45:59,830
stimulate synchronicities because

930
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:01,450
there's a lot of synchronicities that

931
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:04,210
are related to UFO experiences that take

932
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:09,190
place during and afterwards and there's

933
00:46:16,350 --> 00:46:11,590
one particular experience I'm thinking

934
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:16,360
about the story by that Deborah fine

935
00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:20,050
told us when that she had she's been an

936
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,860
abductee for said okay yeah since

937
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:26,560
childhood and such as many experiences

938
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:28,360
of them came after she went to a rock

939
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:33,090
concert and what happened is that

940
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:38,740
afterwards they're coming home and she

941
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:42,130
was abducted and she ended up in in a

942
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,810
ship and surrounded by these Grey's

943
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:48,400
there were actually three of them but

944
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:51,640
one of them was not a great instead it

945
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:54,520
was the lead singer from the band that

946
00:47:01,260 --> 00:46:58,150
she had just seen and she points to him

947
00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:01,270
is suddenly very angry and says what is

948
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,270
he doing here and when they realized

949
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:06,880
that she was upset the image just

950
00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:10,510
shifted from the the band leader back

951
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:13,780
into an to agree and they said we

952
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:18,910
thought you liked him the other story

953
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:22,390
that I found really interesting in your

954
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:24,370
book and it was I think the other woman

955
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:28,150
I'm not sure but Carol and I want to say

956
00:47:32,670 --> 00:47:31,150
she was there with her son on a ship and

957
00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:32,680
they were running around trying to get

958
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,540
out of there and the aliens were trying

959
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:36,160
to catch them but they were too slow and

960
00:47:41,850 --> 00:47:39,070
she wound up in like a command center

961
00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:41,860
and lo and behold sitting strapped and

962
00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:44,320
like the commander's chair is some Air

963
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:46,600
Force guy that she actually knew in real

964
00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:49,630
life and he said don't worry as long as

965
00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:52,660
I'm here nothing will happen to you yeah

966
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:55,390
honey and after the whole thing was over

967
00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:57,250
and they were back you know in their

968
00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:00,190
real life whatever I don't remember if

969
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:01,960
she got ahold of him or they ran into

970
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:04,210
each other and he had the same memory

971
00:48:08,250 --> 00:48:05,950
that she had of being on that ship and

972
00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:08,260
seeing her yeah that's true I don't

973
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:10,180
think they ever actually met I think

974
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:12,700
this was through email or through a VAR

975
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:14,890
calling something Erik I mean that was

976
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:18,100
absolutely remarkable honey he has

977
00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:21,340
pretty good recall of all these

978
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:24,340
experiences of hers but even she isn't

979
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:27,370
sure what's what's real and what was

980
00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:30,850
scream mm-hmm well there seems to be so

981
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:35,350
much similarity and commonality with

982
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:39,700
saying seeing owls or just the face of

983
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,450
the greys

984
00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:42,420
I mean that's become a trademark

985
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:44,440
anything that even kind of looks like

986
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:47,700
that you automatically think Oh et alien

987
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,040
that would almost sort of suggest to me

988
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:52,960
that it is being planted because it's so

989
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:55,810
standardized well I think you know

990
00:49:00,990 --> 00:48:57,730
Whitley Strieber really popularized that

991
00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:01,000
image in 1987 with his book communion

992
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:02,589
because that that's what was on the

993
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:05,230
cover and ever since then I mean that

994
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:07,650
that's the standard grayface but there

995
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:10,540
are a number of people we've talked to

996
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:13,540
who have as soon as they saw that book

997
00:49:19,319 --> 00:49:16,030
they recognized that face and they were

998
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:19,329
startled to see it on the cover of a

999
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:20,770
book and I think Connie was one of them

1000
00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:23,410
she could never read that book she she

1001
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:25,540
bought it started and just had to close

1002
00:49:31,530 --> 00:49:28,180
it because it was you know it's it's an

1003
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:31,540
upset her so much just the memories

1004
00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:35,310
coming back of her own experiences so

1005
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:37,780
obviously a lot of people have very

1006
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:41,890
negative reactions to these experiences

1007
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:45,670
would you say that's pretty common for

1008
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:48,579
people who have done its who've been

1009
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:51,400
abducted by greys yes I don't think I've

1010
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:53,260
ever heard of anybody being abducted by

1011
00:50:03,000 --> 00:49:56,170
anything but a great can you yeah I'm

1012
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:03,010
not sure possibly by the lizard oh the

1013
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:07,270
reptilian reptilian yeah but yeah most

1014
00:50:11,579 --> 00:50:09,970
of them have that type of reaction but

1015
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:11,589
then there are these people who call

1016
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,990
themselves the experienced experiencers

1017
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:16,480
who have a different point of view that

1018
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:21,210
they see it as a positive experience and

1019
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:25,210
they actually look forward to to these

1020
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,250
experiences even though they're very

1021
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:29,680
traumatic and we know one woman in

1022
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:33,300
Sarasota Florida who has repeated

1023
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:37,270
experiences with interdimensional beings

1024
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:40,900
and we've written some about her and our

1025
00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:47,920
last book and she she finds the

1026
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,160
experience is startling but she is so

1027
00:50:55,059 --> 00:50:52,880
used to it because they've had

1028
00:51:00,700 --> 00:50:55,069
going on I think for 19 or 20 years now

1029
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,710
and that she accepts it and is actually

1030
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,440
sets aside time each day to work with

1031
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:05,359
the energies as she calls it oh wow

1032
00:51:10,269 --> 00:51:08,210
that's very trusting well also she's a

1033
00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:10,279
retired veterinarian and she puts it

1034
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:12,680
who's better equipped to study on other

1035
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:16,609
species than a vet I wouldn't have

1036
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:17,960
thought about that but you're right that

1037
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:20,329
does kind of make sense

1038
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:23,210
well people also have dreams about UFOs

1039
00:51:28,569 --> 00:51:25,849
and they they'll have the same dreams

1040
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:28,579
and I don't know if this is always

1041
00:51:32,259 --> 00:51:30,680
necessarily people who know each other

1042
00:51:35,049 --> 00:51:32,269
and they're gonna see each other over

1043
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:35,059
coffee or whatever but what how would

1044
00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:38,930
you explain say three people who have

1045
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:41,630
almost the exact same details of a dream

1046
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:44,690
on the same evening about involving a

1047
00:51:50,799 --> 00:51:48,740
UFO or et and then they get together and

1048
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:50,809
bring it up and the other to say oh I

1049
00:51:55,029 --> 00:51:52,670
had that same dream last night how do

1050
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:55,039
you explain that maybe they were all on

1051
00:52:03,640 --> 00:51:59,240
a ship yeah it are one of the most

1052
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:03,650
common explanation for dreams is that

1053
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:06,890
we're regurgitating the day's events or

1054
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:12,319
recent events in our lives and if if

1055
00:52:17,170 --> 00:52:15,049
these people all had been in an

1056
00:52:19,569 --> 00:52:17,180
abduction experience that would that

1057
00:52:21,809 --> 00:52:19,579
would make sense or it could be

1058
00:52:24,249 --> 00:52:21,819
something precognitive as well a

1059
00:52:28,779 --> 00:52:24,259
premonition of something that was coming

1060
00:52:31,029 --> 00:52:28,789
to to them also you know young in 1953

1061
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:31,039
Carl Jung wrote a book about what he

1062
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:35,690
called flying saucers and he saw dreams

1063
00:52:40,749 --> 00:52:37,569
for instance in sightings of

1064
00:52:44,499 --> 00:52:40,759
quote-unquote flying saucers as symbolic

1065
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:44,509
of man's need for wholeness especially

1066
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:46,700
the circular ones you know and you can

1067
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:51,980
also interpret dreams of UFOs as puns

1068
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,230
is there something hovering over your

1069
00:53:00,370 --> 00:52:56,720
life that's making you feel alienated or

1070
00:53:03,249 --> 00:53:00,380
what that's an interesting take I did

1071
00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:03,259
before say that again just so everybody

1072
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:06,220
hears that is there something hovering

1073
00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:08,770
over your life making you feel alienated

1074
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:12,070
or what feels what feels alien to you in

1075
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:15,910
your life so that that's looking at it

1076
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:19,810
as a pun and a psychological experience

1077
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:23,070
wow that's a really interesting way to

1078
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:25,450
notice answer why three people would

1079
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:27,250
have that same dream on the same night

1080
00:53:31,830 --> 00:53:30,100
yeah that's pretty odd I mean it I could

1081
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:31,840
see if the three people happen to be out

1082
00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:34,690
together and they went home and they had

1083
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:37,000
the dream then probably it was it was

1084
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:38,590
lost time and they were just remembering

1085
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:41,770
it but strange

1086
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:44,770
why do you think's UFO sightings right

1087
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:46,750
now seem to be proliferating you have an

1088
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:49,900
opinion about that because we live in

1089
00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:54,670
tumultuous times yeah I mean why would

1090
00:53:59,940 --> 00:53:57,400
they be trying to be seen or are we just

1091
00:54:02,430 --> 00:53:59,950
looking harder for them or Hawaii is it

1092
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:02,440
it really does seem like every day

1093
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:04,570
you're hearing about someone reporting

1094
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,120
seeing something well especially now in

1095
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:08,800
these days with when everybody's got an

1096
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:11,250
iPhone and camera you know right a phone

1097
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,750
and also with the Internet information

1098
00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:16,480
just travels much more quickly and it

1099
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:19,080
could be that you know we're coming to

1100
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:22,800
paradigm shift a paradigm shift or as

1101
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:26,050
religious people put it an end times

1102
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:28,570
which is not necessarily what I would

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00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:31,360
consider to mean to be the end of the

1104
00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:36,400
world so to speak but as a shift of just

1105
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:40,120
of our reality and and one of one aspect

1106
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:43,360
of that shift definitely would be a

1107
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:48,040
recognition of the existence of beings

1108
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:50,770
from elsewhere among us it would

1109
00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:52,750
definitely cause this shift in our

1110
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:54,460
consciousness that's exactly where we're

1111
00:54:59,610 --> 00:54:56,710
going after the break and also talking

1112
00:55:02,040 --> 00:54:59,620
about the the guy in your book Bruce

1113
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:02,050
Vernon and the story about the Bermuda

1114
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:05,740
Triangle but we want to talk

1115
00:55:10,110 --> 00:55:07,750
specifically about these predictions

1116
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:10,120
from the Hopi and the Lakota Sioux and

1117
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:13,960
the Maya and the Aztecs and get into

1118
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:15,970
planetary impasse which i think is just

1119
00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:17,590
so fascinating

1120
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:21,790
so I think we're getting close to taking

1121
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:25,360
a break I'll wait until Joe our producer

1122
00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:28,540
accused me on that just give us a little

1123
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,440
preview of introduce who Bruce Vernon is

1124
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:35,200
and from what I gather from reading your

1125
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:37,540
book he may be the only pilot ever to

1126
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:39,970
have survived actually traveling through

1127
00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:43,510
the Bermuda Triangle in an electronic

1128
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:50,100
fog do you think that he is I think that

1129
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:53,410
maybe other people have had similar

1130
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,650
experiences but I'm not sure that any of

1131
00:56:02,700 --> 00:55:59,200
them are around anymore Charles

1132
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:02,710
Lindbergh had experiences one experience

1133
00:56:11,490 --> 00:56:06,660
on a flight that he didn't write about

1134
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:11,500
until well he wrote he wrote about in

1135
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,630
his biography autobiography but it

1136
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:15,760
wasn't published until after he was gone

1137
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:17,980
he didn't want to admit that he could

1138
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:21,490
become so lost in a fog that he would be

1139
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:26,170
totally off track by such a great degree

1140
00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:28,990
and that this fog would just cling to

1141
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:32,080
his seemingly cling to his plane for

1142
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:35,230
hours I think he was flying from Cuba to

1143
00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:39,490
st. Louis and he writes about that that

1144
00:56:45,810 --> 00:56:43,120
story in his autobiography well I know

1145
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:45,820
being in clouds in a fog in a plane

1146
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:48,700
would be horribly disorienting

1147
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:50,350
especially if you didn't have the kind

1148
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:53,530
of equipment that would help you at

1149
00:56:59,100 --> 00:56:55,870
least understand what your orientation

1150
00:57:02,790 --> 00:56:59,110
was in the air but the way you described

1151
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,800
the situation that Bruce was in and he

1152
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:04,720
had passengers in the plane with him

1153
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:08,560
right right yes and it seemed to be this

1154
00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:13,450
fog was an enormous fog that went on and

1155
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:15,700
on and on but when they checked the

1156
00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:19,480
radar it was it was clear I mean and

1157
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:21,400
when they were able to get in contact

1158
00:57:30,609 --> 00:57:28,990
with the Miami Tower there was no the

1159
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:30,619
the tower said

1160
00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:33,490
it was clear weather that there was no

1161
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:38,390
massive fog in fact we had a remote

1162
00:57:45,759 --> 00:57:43,609
viewer view Bruce in that flight as one

1163
00:57:49,059 --> 00:57:45,769
of his targets so we had about that

1164
00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:49,069
after Wow yeah I don't I don't remember

1165
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,140
reading that no no that's not in this

1166
00:57:56,109 --> 00:57:54,559
book it's um yeah definitely that's

1167
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:56,119
where we're gonna start is with Bruce

1168
00:58:00,519 --> 00:57:57,890
and the fog because I think I remember

1169
00:58:03,130 --> 00:58:00,529
it was like a wall of fog that he he

1170
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,140
described so what we're doing is we're

1171
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,119
listening to Rob and Trish MacGregor

1172
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:06,799
talked about their book aliens in the

1173
00:58:12,339 --> 00:58:09,380
backyard and this is epic voyages radio

1174
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:12,349
on inception radio network and we are

1175
00:58:16,029 --> 00:58:14,569
going to take a really short break just

1176
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,039
a couple of minutes and come right back

1177
00:58:21,009 --> 00:58:18,799
and pick it up talking about going

1178
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:21,019
through the electronic fog in the

1179
00:58:27,339 --> 00:58:23,180
Bermuda Triangle and then we're going to

1180
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:27,349
talk about planetary empaths and I think

1181
00:58:30,970 --> 00:58:29,089
this is something that a lot of people a

1182
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:30,980
lot of listeners haven't heard about yet

1183
00:58:48,499 --> 00:58:33,990
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welcome back everybody out there to epic

1278
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1279
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:09,160
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1280
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number for those of you that would like

1281
01:03:17,789 --> 01:03:15,249
to call in and ask a question of Rob and

1282
01:03:21,059 --> 01:03:17,799
Trish MacGregor personally that number

1283
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three five five and as always you can go

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to our chat room online at inception

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type in a question there we're talking

1290
01:03:43,469 --> 01:03:41,410
about Rob and Trish's book aliens in the

1291
01:03:46,589 --> 01:03:43,479
backyard and I'm putting some resources

1292
01:03:48,839 --> 01:03:46,599
up in the chat room and inception radio

1293
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network to make it easy for you to find

1294
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some of their material of course you can

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get their book and all their books

1296
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through amazon.com you can also go oops

1297
01:04:04,529 --> 01:04:00,459
I did a misspelling you can go to their

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01:04:06,839 --> 01:04:04,539
website synchro secrets.com and when I

1299
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:06,849
stop talking I'll type that out Thank

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01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:10,740
You Carol Carol cleaned up my typing

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01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:18,420
gross secrets.com sy NC HR o SEC are ETS

1302
01:04:23,090 --> 01:04:21,540
comm synchro secrets and I want to take

1303
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:23,100
a minute before we go back to the

1304
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:25,380
electronic fog and the Bermuda Triangle

1305
01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:28,740
and Bruce Vernon and mentioned that they

1306
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:31,560
have moved their blog that includes all

1307
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:35,520
of these stories about the the dreams

1308
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:37,980
the events the occurrences of planetary

1309
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,810
empaths which we're going to get into

1310
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:42,480
here in just a few minutes that is at

1311
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:49,200
blog dot synchro secrets calm so I'll

1312
01:04:55,609 --> 01:04:52,230
put that that link up here from the

1313
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:55,619
other page and feel free to go to if

1314
01:05:01,490 --> 01:04:58,530
when you go to that website that I just

1315
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:01,500
gave you one of the links at the bottom

1316
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:04,380
of their navigation bar is planetary

1317
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:05,369
impasse

1318
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:08,640
go to that link and that is the blog so

1319
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,950
I think you'll be very impressed with it

1320
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:13,200
as I think you would be with this book

1321
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:16,710
if you would check it out Trish you want

1322
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:19,980
to say anything else about the blog just

1323
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:22,470
that it's a blog synchro secrets calm

1324
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:24,900
and it's actually the planetary empath

1325
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:27,180
thing is in the masthead and it's the

1326
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:30,510
last entry in the blue masthead there's

1327
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:31,619
a very column

1328
01:05:39,830 --> 01:05:34,140
yeah right yeah and it's fascinating

1329
01:05:42,020 --> 01:05:39,840
stuff so okay Robin Trish let's go back

1330
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:42,030
to Bruce Vernon who we left in the

1331
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:43,859
electronic fog in the Bermuda Triangle

1332
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:47,850
in an airplane he actually if I remember

1333
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:50,220
the way you described it in your book he

1334
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:53,359
he's describing seeing like two walls of

1335
01:06:00,310 --> 01:05:57,780
like walls that made out of clouds or

1336
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:00,320
fog or something is that right yeah well

1337
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:04,410
this was 1970 when Bruce is 23 years old

1338
01:06:10,220 --> 01:06:07,980
he and his father were hoping to develop

1339
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:10,230
a resort on Andros Island in the Bahamas

1340
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:14,400
and they had taken flights between West

1341
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:16,920
Palm and Andros a number of times and

1342
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:19,050
they they had they knew this route very

1343
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:20,280
well

1344
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:22,410
and so in this particular day they were

1345
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:28,650
leaving Andros Island and they were just

1346
01:06:35,420 --> 01:06:33,210
a couple miles offshore I should pause

1347
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:35,430
here and mention just on a side Andros

1348
01:06:40,270 --> 01:06:37,980
Island is the home of a secret Navy base

1349
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:40,280
that sometimes called the underwater

1350
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:44,130
area 51 just we can go back to that but

1351
01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:48,510
so anyhow he was he was with his father

1352
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:50,900
and a business partner and they were

1353
01:06:57,830 --> 01:06:54,690
leaving Andros couple miles offshore he

1354
01:07:02,180 --> 01:06:57,840
sees a strange lenticular cloud with a

1355
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:02,190
lenticular cloud is a kind of a UFO

1356
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:04,730
shaped cloud it was about a mile across

1357
01:07:11,420 --> 01:07:08,640
and but lenticular clouds are usually

1358
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:11,430
over mountain tops like 10,000 feet or

1359
01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:17,130
higher and this was just about a mile it

1360
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:23,190
was it was maybe a thousand a thousand

1361
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:28,410
feet up and so he decided to go around

1362
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:31,710
that he maneuvered around it and

1363
01:07:41,090 --> 01:07:36,750
continued on and he looks back and sees

1364
01:07:43,220 --> 01:07:41,100
that this cloud is expanding it's it's

1365
01:07:47,540 --> 01:07:43,230
growing arms that are coming out on

1366
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:47,550
either side of the plane but why why

1367
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:51,180
depart you know miles apart and as he's

1368
01:07:59,560 --> 01:07:54,780
moving along the these arms are

1369
01:08:02,750 --> 01:07:59,570
expanding and moving moving with him and

1370
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,760
then he sees another similar cloud out

1371
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:05,760
in front of him and this cloud starts

1372
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:08,610
shooting out arms as well and before he

1373
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:12,000
knows that he's inside like a doughnut

1374
01:08:19,809 --> 01:08:16,500
of this huge cloud it was I think he

1375
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:19,819
thought it was about 15 miles across the

1376
01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:23,670
the opening and he decided to try to go

1377
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:26,819
up over it he went up to over 10,000

1378
01:08:32,669 --> 01:08:31,080
feet and there was no way it seemed to

1379
01:08:37,019 --> 01:08:32,679
continue up

1380
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:37,029
might go 60,000 feet so he went down all

1381
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:40,809
the way down to just above the surface

1382
01:08:46,739 --> 01:08:43,689
a couple hundred he was just a couple

1383
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:46,749
hundred feet over the surface and it

1384
01:08:51,689 --> 01:08:48,489
seemed to be growing right out of the

1385
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:51,699
ocean so he went back up and there

1386
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:53,380
certainly to get nervous now wondering

1387
01:08:58,919 --> 01:08:56,369
how to get out of this and they spot an

1388
01:09:03,839 --> 01:08:58,929
opening where two of the arms are coming

1389
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:03,849
together and closing it's like an anvil

1390
01:09:09,059 --> 01:09:06,489
the top of an anvil coming together and

1391
01:09:11,519 --> 01:09:09,069
the bottom part is closing and there's

1392
01:09:13,769 --> 01:09:11,529
like a tunnel so they decided to go they

1393
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:13,779
could see blue sky and so they decided

1394
01:09:20,069 --> 01:09:17,170
to go for that tunnel they head for for

1395
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:20,079
it and get inside it and it's continuing

1396
01:09:25,069 --> 01:09:22,329
to close and once they're inside it the

1397
01:09:30,509 --> 01:09:25,079
clouds are rotating counterclockwise

1398
01:09:34,679 --> 01:09:30,519
inside this tunnel and as they get into

1399
01:09:35,699 --> 01:09:34,689
it suddenly they they have a sensation

1400
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:35,709
of being weightless

1401
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:38,170
Bruce described it as if we didn't have

1402
01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:41,650
seatbelts on we've been floating up near

1403
01:09:47,249 --> 01:09:43,809
the roof of the plane and this lasted

1404
01:09:49,709 --> 01:09:47,259
for maybe 10-15 seconds as they went

1405
01:09:52,859 --> 01:09:49,719
through this tunnel and by this time

1406
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:52,869
there was none of the electronics in the

1407
01:10:00,000 --> 01:09:56,110
plane were working keep in mind Bruce's

1408
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:00,010
father was also a pilot right and the

1409
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:02,409
this was a new plane they had the latest

1410
01:10:09,540 --> 01:10:07,360
technology and they had like three

1411
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:09,550
compasses and none of them were working

1412
01:10:15,899 --> 01:10:12,010
there's just spinning in circles and

1413
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,909
they make it through but the tunnel and

1414
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:17,920
at the end of it the the clouds were

1415
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:20,289
just on the tips of the tips of the

1416
01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:21,820
wings as they come through but when they

1417
01:10:29,069 --> 01:10:23,800
get out on the outside there's no blue

1418
01:10:34,259 --> 01:10:29,079
sky it's just like a soup and this is

1419
01:10:38,129 --> 01:10:34,269
when they are flying and the fog is just

1420
01:10:41,729 --> 01:10:38,139
continuing to be everywhere right along

1421
01:10:43,299 --> 01:10:41,739
with them as they're flying and finally

1422
01:10:45,310 --> 01:10:43,309
they're able to contact

1423
01:10:47,890 --> 01:10:45,320
the radio started work and they're able

1424
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:47,900
to contact the Miami Tower and they told

1425
01:10:57,390 --> 01:10:54,230
that we must be near Bimini now and the

1426
01:11:02,129 --> 01:10:57,400
tower said there's no planes out there

1427
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:02,139
at all and so his father got very upset

1428
01:11:08,770 --> 01:11:04,250
what do you mean there's no planes out

1429
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:08,780
here and then there's radio silence for

1430
01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:13,070
a while and then the tower came back on

1431
01:11:18,299 --> 01:11:14,440
it said wait a minute there's a plane

1432
01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:18,309
coming over Miami Beach right now and

1433
01:11:23,529 --> 01:11:21,320
Bruce thought no this is impossible we

1434
01:11:26,290 --> 01:11:23,539
couldn't be this far

1435
01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:26,300
that would be like teleporting a hundred

1436
01:11:30,339 --> 01:11:28,550
miles instantly but that's what happened

1437
01:11:36,339 --> 01:11:30,349
I mean there is suddenly they look down

1438
01:11:38,529 --> 01:11:36,349
and the clouds this massive fog vanishes

1439
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:38,539
and they look back and there's no sign

1440
01:11:45,029 --> 01:11:41,480
of it and they're over Miami Beach and

1441
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:45,039
Holle so it's very startling experience

1442
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:47,510
for him and it's a fine the rest of

1443
01:11:51,580 --> 01:11:49,610
Bruce's life actually he thinks he still

1444
01:11:53,919 --> 01:11:51,590
thinks about it every day and he taught

1445
01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:53,929
everybody he mates he tells him his

1446
01:12:02,189 --> 01:11:57,340
story and it's

1447
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:02,199
but he went for years without wanting to

1448
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:06,710
have anything to do with UFOs as part of

1449
01:12:11,740 --> 01:12:08,090
the story because he didn't want to be

1450
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:11,750
ridiculed and considered a nutcase so he

1451
01:12:20,069 --> 01:12:15,320
liked to talk about electronic fog as

1452
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:20,079
something coming out of the earth and

1453
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:25,250
and what he felt happened is that this

1454
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:30,130
fog surrounded the plane and actually

1455
01:12:35,529 --> 01:12:33,020
moved along with the plane in other

1456
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:35,539
words glommed onto it right in other

1457
01:12:41,950 --> 01:12:37,820
words that fog was maybe only a quarter

1458
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:41,960
mile across around the plane so that's

1459
01:12:49,089 --> 01:12:44,690
why the radar showed that there was no

1460
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,099
massive cloud cloud cover at all but he

1461
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:52,000
but they experienced cloud this fog

1462
01:12:56,050 --> 01:12:54,710
constantly and one of the things that

1463
01:12:58,150 --> 01:12:56,060
made him

1464
01:13:00,970 --> 01:12:58,160
come to believe that this was the case

1465
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:00,980
was there is continually a hole straight

1466
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:02,510
above he could look through the

1467
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:04,730
windshield and look up into blue sky and

1468
01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:07,610
he could also look down and see the sea

1469
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:10,460
the ocean and that that opening that

1470
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:13,910
hole continued along right along with

1471
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:17,270
them all the time and so that's how he

1472
01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:19,810
came up with a concept of electronic fog

1473
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:23,480
but now in the last few years he's come

1474
01:13:33,550 --> 01:13:28,240
to accept the idea that that initial

1475
01:13:36,670 --> 01:13:33,560
lenticular cloud may have been hiding a

1476
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:36,680
UFO a craft that may have come through

1477
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:40,010
an interdimensional portal that might be

1478
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:42,650
out there and what is considered the

1479
01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:47,210
Bermuda Triangle so when we asked Joe

1480
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:50,360
mcmoneagle wife who often acts as his

1481
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,610
monitor he was in the remote the

1482
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:54,560
government's remote viewing program

1483
01:14:03,220 --> 01:13:58,490
Stargate for years and so we asked Nancy

1484
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:03,230
if she would do a target based on

1485
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:05,750
Bruce's flight and normally what she

1486
01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:07,400
does the only thing that's in the

1487
01:14:14,650 --> 01:14:11,950
envelope is longitudal attitude Oh or

1488
01:14:17,890 --> 01:14:14,660
sometimes a few words I think in this

1489
01:14:20,290 --> 01:14:17,900
case she put Bruce Kernan's flight but

1490
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:20,300
Joe never looks at the envelope it's in

1491
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:22,370
front of him he touches it doesn't open

1492
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:25,730
it and what joe said about this was he

1493
01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:29,630
was abducted oh my goodness yeah I mean

1494
01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:34,160
it was well he he actually did a couple

1495
01:14:41,740 --> 01:14:38,500
different targets and because here's a

1496
01:14:45,970 --> 01:14:41,750
kicker to the story is that one month

1497
01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:45,980
after Bruce's experience he went out

1498
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:48,740
from Miami Beach with his girlfriend at

1499
01:14:55,150 --> 01:14:51,350
the time she had never been in an

1500
01:14:57,730 --> 01:14:55,160
airplane at night and so he took her

1501
01:14:58,780 --> 01:14:57,740
over Miami Beach and then went out over

1502
01:15:01,360 --> 01:14:58,790
the ocean

1503
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:01,370
and to see the stars and they were

1504
01:15:07,210 --> 01:15:04,610
flying out and he was coming very close

1505
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:07,220
to the same area where he had had this

1506
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:09,930
experience when he sees this or

1507
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:14,130
light in the distance and he points it

1508
01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:16,050
out and they watch it it's getting

1509
01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:19,080
larger and larger and coming closer and

1510
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:21,660
closer until it's moving very rapidly

1511
01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:24,780
and he can see it as a metallic craft

1512
01:15:30,650 --> 01:15:26,580
with a bubble on top it's coming right

1513
01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:30,660
at them he tries to maneuver to escape

1514
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:34,350
from it and suddenly it's gone it just

1515
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:39,060
vanishes as its as it's about to hit a

1516
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:41,790
vase about to hit the plane and so that

1517
01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:45,600
was one of the targets I gave to Joe and

1518
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:50,190
what that's the one he described he said

1519
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:52,020
they were abducted he said the whole

1520
01:16:00,860 --> 01:15:58,130
plane was abducted and that's why and

1521
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:00,870
and that's one of the reasons that Bruce

1522
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:04,410
has never wanted to talk about this as

1523
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:06,210
an abduction experience or as a UFO

1524
01:16:10,670 --> 01:16:09,000
experience right I mean there we are

1525
01:16:12,230 --> 01:16:10,680
back to the beginning of the show when

1526
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:12,240
we were talking about people just don't

1527
01:16:16,190 --> 01:16:14,310
want to talk about it because they they

1528
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:16,200
know what they're in for if they say

1529
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:19,020
those words was that your kitty cat I

1530
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:26,810
heard the back so hungry very insistent

1531
01:16:31,670 --> 01:16:29,970
do I remember that robbed that you told

1532
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:31,680
me that Bruce was thinking of coming out

1533
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:33,390
with a book about this or am I making

1534
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:34,140
that up

1535
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:38,910
no I co-authored it with Bruce called

1536
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:41,910
the fog after all of this you've been

1537
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:43,380
saying about how he doesn't want to talk

1538
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:44,910
about it I thought I must have just

1539
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:47,310
misunderstood them because if he doesn't

1540
01:16:50,660 --> 01:16:48,780
want to talk about it he would never put

1541
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:50,670
it in a book but he didn't want to talk

1542
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:54,510
about the UFO part yeah I did manage to

1543
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,480
get one chapter on the UFO question into

1544
01:17:03,580 --> 01:17:00,000
the book but he was very very hesitant

1545
01:17:07,370 --> 01:17:03,590
to to talk about another interesting

1546
01:17:10,450 --> 01:17:07,380
point about Bruce's story is that when

1547
01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:10,460
this experience happened to him

1548
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:12,750
he had never heard of the Bermuda

1549
01:17:18,660 --> 01:17:15,390
Triangle and Charles Berlitz book

1550
01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:18,670
wouldn't be published for several years

1551
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:21,670
then in 1974 he saw a news program that

1552
01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:24,780
featured dr. Manson Valentine who is

1553
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:26,820
leading a group of researchers

1554
01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:29,110
investigating the Bermuda Triangle that

1555
01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:32,550
was the first he had heard about it and

1556
01:17:37,979 --> 01:17:35,230
Valentine was the director of the Miami

1557
01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:37,989
Museum of Science and had really an

1558
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:40,390
astonishing academic credentials three

1559
01:17:47,070 --> 01:17:44,170
PhDs from Yale in zoology paleontology

1560
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:47,080
and geology but in spite of this

1561
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:50,770
academic his academic achievements he

1562
01:17:55,620 --> 01:17:53,110
liked to pursue this interest that

1563
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:55,630
strayed far from mainstream sciences

1564
01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:57,130
interests like the Bermuda Triangle

1565
01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:01,260
Atlantis and UFOs in in fact valantine

1566
01:18:07,470 --> 01:18:05,219
research would play a large role in

1567
01:18:10,020 --> 01:18:07,480
Charles Berlitz his bestseller the

1568
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:10,030
Bermuda Triangle and and the sequel as

1569
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:13,500
well so after watching that program

1570
01:18:19,740 --> 01:18:16,330
Bruce Gernon called the museum and left

1571
01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:19,750
a message for Valentin who contacted him

1572
01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:21,070
a week later and they arranged for a

1573
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:24,820
meeting and they met at Valentines house

1574
01:18:32,850 --> 01:18:30,670
in downtown Miami and Valentin was

1575
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:32,860
really fascinated by grens recollection

1576
01:18:38,669 --> 01:18:35,170
of that of that flight from Andros

1577
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:38,679
Island and after he'd heard the entire

1578
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:41,710
story Valentin turned to his wife Anna

1579
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,530
and said this is amazing he is the only

1580
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:46,480
pilot to ever have flown through the

1581
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:48,489
heart of the storm from birth through

1582
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:50,890
his maturity and to exit through the

1583
01:18:56,490 --> 01:18:54,130
vortex and survive wow that's something

1584
01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:56,500
I mean if you're gonna go through

1585
01:19:00,930 --> 01:18:59,170
something unusual you don't want to do

1586
01:19:02,610 --> 01:19:00,940
it up in the air in an airplane over no

1587
01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:02,620
show that's for sure

1588
01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:05,260
that's just really terrifying Bruce

1589
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:08,020
always remembers that Valentin told him

1590
01:19:11,970 --> 01:19:09,820
that he held the key to the mystery of

1591
01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:11,980
the Bermuda Triangle yeah well that's

1592
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:14,380
kind of a scary thought too especially

1593
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:16,540
considering he may have been abducted a

1594
01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:20,250
couple of times yeah what price the key

1595
01:19:25,770 --> 01:19:22,840
well we're gonna we're gonna shift gears

1596
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:25,780
just a little bit I'm gonna remind

1597
01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:27,730
everybody we're listening to Rob and

1598
01:19:31,740 --> 01:19:29,500
Trish McGregor talking about their book

1599
01:19:32,490 --> 01:19:31,750
aliens in the back yard which has an

1600
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:32,500
awful lot

1601
01:19:39,060 --> 01:19:35,590
more in it than just aliens and UFOs I

1602
01:19:40,710 --> 01:19:39,070
might add and the telephone number if

1603
01:19:42,330 --> 01:19:40,720
you'd like to dial in and talk to them

1604
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:42,340
and ask them a question directly is

1605
01:19:48,150 --> 01:19:45,250
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1606
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:48,160
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1607
01:19:54,750 --> 01:19:51,730
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1608
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:54,760
and type your question right there in

1609
01:20:00,060 --> 01:19:57,490
the chat room so where we're going next

1610
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:00,070
this was a this was totally new

1611
01:20:04,770 --> 01:20:02,530
information to me about planetary

1612
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:04,780
impasse and I'm going to try to

1613
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,810
introduce it very briefly by pointing

1614
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:09,840
out that these ancient indigenous

1615
01:20:17,370 --> 01:20:13,440
cultures like the Hopi the Lakota Sioux

1616
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:17,380
the Maya the Aztecs and that's that's

1617
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:19,810
just a few that that I remember that you

1618
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,250
mentioned in the book but I know that

1619
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:23,440
there's dozens maybe hundreds of more

1620
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:26,880
cultures that have these predictions of

1621
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:30,730
Earth shakings which is supposed to be

1622
01:20:36,090 --> 01:20:33,130
the end of one age or world and the

1623
01:20:40,170 --> 01:20:36,100
beginning of the next one the hopi call

1624
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:40,180
it the day of purification I've got a

1625
01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:42,370
quote here when the earth rocks to and

1626
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:45,550
fro white men battle people in other

1627
01:20:54,540 --> 01:20:50,580
lands many columns of smoke and fire and

1628
01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:54,550
the Sioux mentioned that each of the

1629
01:21:02,430 --> 01:20:58,270
four ages of rock fire bow and pipe were

1630
01:21:05,010 --> 01:21:02,440
brought to an end when men became humans

1631
01:21:10,710 --> 01:21:05,020
became too hard it which means infected

1632
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:10,720
with evil of course some of the original

1633
01:21:18,260 --> 01:21:14,170
gods for these cultures like piranha

1634
01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:18,270
for the Hopi Kukulkan for the the Maya

1635
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:21,160
Quetzalcoatl for the Aztecs are

1636
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,610
described as light-skinned they're

1637
01:21:30,210 --> 01:21:26,800
bearded they have light-colored eyes

1638
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,220
blue blue-green eyes gray eyes sound

1639
01:21:34,740 --> 01:21:31,840
very Nordic don't sound like the greys

1640
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:34,750
or the reptilians some of them have

1641
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:36,970
stories with them having come from the

1642
01:21:44,729 --> 01:21:41,550
stars like Sirius or the Pleiades

1643
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:44,739
different places so

1644
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:48,610
tell us what a planetary empath is and

1645
01:21:55,140 --> 01:21:52,329
why would this be another thing that

1646
01:21:58,649 --> 01:21:55,150
seems to be proliferating right now okay

1647
01:21:59,779 --> 01:21:58,659
I think it was Diane fine who actually

1648
01:22:02,910 --> 01:21:59,789
first brought this to our attention

1649
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:02,920
during one of her abductions

1650
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,130
she said the the basically the

1651
01:22:12,299 --> 01:22:08,800
windshield the window of the spaceship

1652
01:22:17,299 --> 01:22:12,309
or the craft she was on turned into kind

1653
01:22:20,580 --> 01:22:17,309
of like a movie of planetary disruptions

1654
01:22:21,959 --> 01:22:20,590
pollution earthquakes volcanic eruptions

1655
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:21,969
you know everything that every natural

1656
01:22:26,759 --> 01:22:25,030
disaster that could happen and as these

1657
01:22:29,759 --> 01:22:26,769
this movie was playing across the

1658
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:29,769
windows of the craft the gray or whoever

1659
01:22:35,459 --> 01:22:32,110
it was who was with her said this is as

1660
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:35,469
a result of what humanity does to the

1661
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:42,550
planet so in in the early 90s she began

1662
01:22:46,529 --> 01:22:44,650
noticing that she had these weird

1663
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:46,539
symptoms like she would get kind of

1664
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:49,150
weepy and sad for no reason she'd

1665
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:52,329
experienced for at vertigo she might

1666
01:22:57,029 --> 01:22:54,130
have a terrible ringing in her ear

1667
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:57,039
then she started associating these

1668
01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:01,840
symptoms with events natural disasters

1669
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:04,119
that would happen several days or

1670
01:23:09,689 --> 01:23:06,369
several weeks after she'd had the

1671
01:23:12,689 --> 01:23:09,699
symptoms and over the years she began

1672
01:23:16,259 --> 01:23:12,699
piecing things together so that here's

1673
01:23:20,459 --> 01:23:16,269
here's the one for March 11th 2011 in

1674
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:20,469
2:46 p.m. Tokyo time a 9.0 earthquake

1675
01:23:25,649 --> 01:23:22,690
shook northern Japan for two minutes and

1676
01:23:27,959 --> 01:23:25,659
shifted the planet on its axis by about

1677
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:27,969
nine inches it was followed by a tsunami

1678
01:23:32,609 --> 01:23:30,369
with 30-foot waves that swept away

1679
01:23:34,830 --> 01:23:32,619
entire villages tens of thousands of

1680
01:23:37,739 --> 01:23:34,840
people were killed and also crippled the

1681
01:23:43,919 --> 01:23:37,749
Fukushima nuclear plant okay so this was

1682
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:43,929
like a triple thing about maybe five or

1683
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:46,050
six days before this happened

1684
01:23:51,930 --> 01:23:50,050
maybe a week Dyanne began to have really

1685
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:51,940
severe physical symptoms and she knew

1686
01:23:55,379 --> 01:23:53,170
they were related to an upcoming

1687
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:55,389
disaster she just wasn't sure what kind

1688
01:23:59,300 --> 01:23:57,000
of disaster was

1689
01:24:01,280 --> 01:23:59,310
her ears rang constantly she suffered

1690
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,290
from extreme vertigo excruciating

1691
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:03,120
migraine and she couldn't sleep couldn't

1692
01:24:09,140 --> 01:24:06,090
function and ended up in the ER several

1693
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:09,150
times and a really profound sadness left

1694
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:11,550
her virtually paralyzed okay around the

1695
01:24:16,940 --> 01:24:14,850
same time Connie the other abductee who

1696
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:16,950
was abducted with her son was in a

1697
01:24:20,420 --> 01:24:18,570
grocery store one afternoon when she

1698
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:20,430
suddenly felt the ground shift violently

1699
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:22,710
beneath her and grabbed onto a shelf to

1700
01:24:26,540 --> 01:24:24,900
keep her balance her head pounded her

1701
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:26,550
vision blurred she was gripped with

1702
01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:28,440
nausea she barely made it out of the

1703
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:30,720
store to her car her husband and the

1704
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:32,250
people around her didn't experience

1705
01:24:37,460 --> 01:24:35,640
anything at all four days before the

1706
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:37,470
triple disasters in Japan

1707
01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:40,530
Diane emailed us about her symptoms she

1708
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:42,120
said she had severe it was getting worse

1709
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:44,280
she had severe bringing left ear which

1710
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:46,050
for her was always a precursor to a

1711
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:49,380
quake or a volcanic eruption then the

1712
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:51,810
other symptoms first started to surface

1713
01:24:59,120 --> 01:24:54,450
the extreme vertigo nausea crippling

1714
01:25:01,340 --> 01:24:59,130
fatigue and she does although I was born

1715
01:25:02,690 --> 01:25:01,350
intuitive and empathic nothing prepared

1716
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:02,700
me for how those qualities would

1717
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:04,770
progress through life so by the time

1718
01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:08,400
that's Fukushima thing in the quake can

1719
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:10,230
tie the world around she had a pretty

1720
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:12,060
good idea that whatever was coming was

1721
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:15,060
going to be absolutely huge so that's

1722
01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:16,650
you know some of the other symptoms

1723
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:19,400
people experience are pretty awful

1724
01:25:30,970 --> 01:25:25,040
bleeding from your ears breathlessness

1725
01:25:36,260 --> 01:25:33,680
that the trick with with the people who

1726
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:36,270
who experiences stuff is is telling

1727
01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:38,730
being able to discern what what kind of

1728
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:41,100
disaster it is like like I said Diane

1729
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:43,050
now knows that with one particular

1730
01:25:46,700 --> 01:25:44,370
symptom it means there's gonna be a

1731
01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:46,710
volcanic eruption for Connie when it's

1732
01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:48,750
gonna be a volcanic eruption she gets

1733
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:52,550
flushed and her blood pressure goes up

1734
01:25:59,300 --> 01:25:56,580
but it's a frustrating ability to have

1735
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:59,310
because you can't prevent anything and

1736
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,620
because you don't know precisely where

1737
01:26:05,919 --> 01:26:03,840
it's gonna happen so it's not like you

1738
01:26:08,169 --> 01:26:05,929
can warn anybody

1739
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:08,179
and for them to have had enough

1740
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:10,250
experience that they're developing their

1741
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:14,480
own map of what means what that means

1742
01:26:19,899 --> 01:26:16,730
they have it a lot and that's that to me

1743
01:26:23,729 --> 01:26:19,909
that's very terrifying - well I mean

1744
01:26:26,830 --> 01:26:23,739
basically it's it's really disrupted

1745
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:26,840
Diane's life I mean especially now you

1746
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:28,730
know it seems like there's a natural

1747
01:26:36,910 --> 01:26:33,770
disaster every other week Wow

1748
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:36,920
I have experienced at times not

1749
01:26:43,209 --> 01:26:40,070
frequently but that feeling of just that

1750
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,219
grief is the only word I can think of

1751
01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:45,679
that that really kind of fits it and it

1752
01:26:52,810 --> 01:26:48,440
just comes out of nowhere for no reason

1753
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:52,820
and it's it's just it stops me in my

1754
01:26:58,180 --> 01:26:55,489
tracks and it lasts for a while and then

1755
01:27:01,899 --> 01:26:58,190
it's just gone so and that really

1756
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:01,909
disturbs me for them to have that and

1757
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:05,510
worse physical symptoms going on is just

1758
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:08,510
very disturbing to me I mean when when

1759
01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:11,449
Diane had the bleeding from her ears she

1760
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:13,670
immediately went to ER they ran all

1761
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:15,110
kinds of tests on her and I said well

1762
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:17,090
you don't have a brain tumor you know

1763
01:27:20,740 --> 01:27:18,290
and she said well what's the bleeding

1764
01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:20,750
from they said we don't know now how

1765
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,280
frustrating is that you had this this

1766
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,320
terrible thing happening and nobody

1767
01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:26,719
knows what causes it right what's the

1768
01:27:30,939 --> 01:27:29,390
physical trigger well Rob and Trish are

1769
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:30,949
going to take that quick break right now

1770
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:32,960
just a minute or two minutes and we'll

1771
01:27:37,390 --> 01:27:35,570
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1772
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:37,400
your questions down on paper if you want

1773
01:27:42,370 --> 01:27:40,250
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1774
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1834
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the last half-hour tonight and we're

1835
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:11,820
talking with Rob and Trish McGregor

1836
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:14,610
about their book aliens in the backyard

1837
01:32:18,890 --> 01:32:17,250
and we've been talking about abductions

1838
01:32:21,890 --> 01:32:18,900
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1839
01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:21,900
about planetary empaths and we're gonna

1840
01:32:27,170 --> 01:32:24,260
go back for just a second and talk about

1841
01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:27,180
some things about the Hopi prophecies I

1842
01:32:31,700 --> 01:32:29,190
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1843
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1849
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1850
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:50,490
backing up just a little bit to the to

1851
01:32:56,540 --> 01:32:53,910
the Hopi culture prophecy rock I

1852
01:32:59,120 --> 01:32:56,550
remember reading in your book that it's

1853
01:33:02,840 --> 01:32:59,130
actually documented carved on that rock

1854
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:02,850
on the Hopi land about three world

1855
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:04,310
shakings

1856
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:06,840
Robin Trish can you tell us a little bit

1857
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:09,090
more about that story and and what that

1858
01:33:13,010 --> 01:33:09,930
represents

1859
01:33:15,380 --> 01:33:13,020
right well the two shakings are

1860
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:15,390
considered to be world war one world war

1861
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:17,970
two and the third shaking is something

1862
01:33:26,660 --> 01:33:24,900
that is yet to come and so we had spent

1863
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:26,670
some time on the Hopi reservation we'd

1864
01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:30,210
taken three trips out there and part of

1865
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:33,780
it was for research for novels that was

1866
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:35,130
writing the first one was called

1867
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:39,600
prophecy rock and there was the same

1868
01:33:46,970 --> 01:33:43,260
character is will answer is through the

1869
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:46,980
four novels of prophecy Rock Hawkmoon

1870
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:50,040
double heart and time catcher and it's a

1871
01:33:57,170 --> 01:33:52,320
it's really about the story of PHA Hana

1872
01:34:00,920 --> 01:33:57,180
and so if you're interested in the the

1873
01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:00,930
hope is and these prophecies and you'd

1874
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:03,390
like to have a little different spin on

1875
01:34:09,380 --> 01:34:07,410
it with with with a fiction series of

1876
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:09,390
fiction novels mysteries and the first

1877
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,400
one prophecy Iraq actually won the Edgar

1878
01:34:17,570 --> 01:34:13,440
Edgar Allan Poe award for

1879
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:17,580
writing and the links are at the top of

1880
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:19,650
that page I mentioned before I just put

1881
01:34:25,820 --> 01:34:22,170
it in the chat room again the blog dot

1882
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:25,830
synchro secrets com the links are there

1883
01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:27,480
for those books I'm definitely going to

1884
01:34:32,150 --> 01:34:29,430
check that out because I've been really

1885
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:32,160
interested in Native Americans

1886
01:34:37,459 --> 01:34:35,040
especially mysteries or history I've

1887
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:37,469
read all kinds of books in the last 15

1888
01:34:42,140 --> 01:34:39,210
years or so since I came up here to New

1889
01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:42,150
York and I love that genre I love it and

1890
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:43,560
I'm so glad you brought that up because

1891
01:34:51,470 --> 01:34:48,239
I'm gonna check those out tomorrow so we

1892
01:34:54,740 --> 01:34:51,480
were talking about the planetary impasse

1893
01:34:57,010 --> 01:34:54,750
and I'm gonna remind everybody that if

1894
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:57,020
they go to that same website blog

1895
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:01,280
synchro secrets calm there is a link to

1896
01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:04,320
planetary impasse there at the top of

1897
01:35:11,450 --> 01:35:06,510
the webpage and that is where you

1898
01:35:13,250 --> 01:35:11,460
actually have the running record of some

1899
01:35:14,810 --> 01:35:13,260
of these comments from people that we've

1900
01:35:17,110 --> 01:35:14,820
been talking about the last hour and a

1901
01:35:21,979 --> 01:35:19,729
reindeer woman you bring up reindeer

1902
01:35:24,110 --> 01:35:21,989
woman in your book I and I had never

1903
01:35:26,959 --> 01:35:24,120
heard of reindeer woman to fly neither

1904
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:26,969
until this deborah fine wrote me and

1905
01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:31,050
said that after the indonesia quake she

1906
01:35:34,459 --> 01:35:32,550
had a dream that she was facing a

1907
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:34,469
goddess who was half human and half

1908
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:37,290
reindeer and she was a mixture of skin

1909
01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:38,850
fur and hair and had these enormous

1910
01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:40,830
antlers and she was really powerful and

1911
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,080
she was flame Diane's body around like a

1912
01:35:47,209 --> 01:35:45,600
lasso holding her by the hair and then

1913
01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:47,219
when the creatures shifted the orbit of

1914
01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:49,080
Diane's body slightly she suddenly knew

1915
01:35:53,209 --> 01:35:51,390
the creature was reindeer one okay at

1916
01:35:55,459 --> 01:35:53,219
the time she had no idea who reindeer

1917
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:55,469
woman was either I mean as far as she

1918
01:36:00,380 --> 01:35:57,930
knew there was no archetype archetypal

1919
01:36:02,689 --> 01:36:00,390
image of a reindeer woman but she did

1920
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:02,699
correlate her body in the dream with the

1921
01:36:08,750 --> 01:36:05,130
earth and because she has this whole

1922
01:36:11,630 --> 01:36:08,760
complicated mess of autoimmune diseases

1923
01:36:15,770 --> 01:36:11,640
that she believes are directly linked to

1924
01:36:18,979 --> 01:36:15,780
her abductions and to humanity's damage

1925
01:36:20,959 --> 01:36:18,989
to the environment so in she believes

1926
01:36:22,729 --> 01:36:20,969
that in the dream her body was the earth

1927
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:22,739
but still she was confused about who

1928
01:36:27,169 --> 01:36:25,260
this powerful goddess was okay skip

1929
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:27,179
ahead February 24 22

1930
01:36:34,250 --> 01:36:31,250
and Diana and her husband are in this

1931
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:34,260
thrift store and she sees this tattered

1932
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:37,679
novel on a shelf and the cover featured

1933
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:40,170
a featured a sketch of a rock with the

1934
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:42,690
pictograph of a woman that had antlers

1935
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:44,850
she couldn't recall a title but she

1936
01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:46,110
handed the book to her husband and said

1937
01:36:50,450 --> 01:36:48,120
the last time I saw reindeer woman the

1938
01:36:52,130 --> 01:36:50,460
Earth's axis shifted and her husband

1939
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:52,140
whose literature for all these years

1940
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:53,400
knew which she was referring to the

1941
01:36:57,260 --> 01:36:55,800
semantic quake and asked her if she

1942
01:36:58,669 --> 01:36:57,270
wanted the book and she said she didn't

1943
01:37:02,959 --> 01:36:58,679
feel well the store was really crowded

1944
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:02,969
she needed to leave three days later the

1945
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:08,489
Chilean earthquake 8.8 occurred and once

1946
01:37:13,899 --> 01:37:10,650
again now she knows that when she has

1947
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,909
the rain reindeer woman dream it means

1948
01:37:19,729 --> 01:37:16,159
there's going to be some horrendous

1949
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:19,739
natural disaster and the Chilean

1950
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:20,400
earthquake

1951
01:37:26,959 --> 01:37:24,570
according to NASA actually moved the

1952
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:26,969
Earth's axis by about 8 centimeters and

1953
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:29,280
shortened the day by 1.26

1954
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,409
microseconds I don't remember what the

1955
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:36,239
exact numbers are but about a year ago I

1956
01:37:41,780 --> 01:37:38,850
was looking at some material talking

1957
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:41,790
about how the axis of the earth and

1958
01:37:48,169 --> 01:37:45,570
TrueNorth have been moving yeah for in

1959
01:37:50,780 --> 01:37:48,179
rutter earthquakes like that only

1960
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:50,790
contribute considerably to that movement

1961
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:54,960
right we got a really good question here

1962
01:37:59,870 --> 01:37:57,330
from the chat room can you say a little

1963
01:38:05,360 --> 01:37:59,880
bit more about the legend of the blue

1964
01:38:09,500 --> 01:38:05,370
star from the Hopi culture yeah that is

1965
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:09,510
something that's in part of my novels

1966
01:38:20,350 --> 01:38:14,489
the Blue Star Kachina is an actual

1967
01:38:24,140 --> 01:38:20,360
Kachina that has never been seen before

1968
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:24,150
but supposedly in the legend is that

1969
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:28,980
when this blue star appears in the sky

1970
01:38:38,060 --> 01:38:34,110
this is the time of the great shaking

1971
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:38,070
and the end of the 4th world the

1972
01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:40,090
beginning of the fifth world

1973
01:38:49,340 --> 01:38:42,160
and that's when the Blue Star Kachina

1974
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:49,350
will dance in the plaza and supposedly

1975
01:38:59,100 --> 01:38:53,290
or speculatively the Blue Star is a

1976
01:39:03,300 --> 01:38:59,110
craft Oh spacecraft yes oh wow I had not

1977
01:39:07,050 --> 01:39:03,310
heard that before either is it is it

1978
01:39:09,570 --> 01:39:07,060
somehow connected to the star Sirius you

1979
01:39:14,820 --> 01:39:09,580
know I think it is I think I remember

1980
01:39:17,550 --> 01:39:14,830
reading that okay so your first book is

1981
01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:17,560
prophecy Rock now you talk about the

1982
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:19,900
blue star and all all for the books or

1983
01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:22,450
do you focus on on it more and one than

1984
01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:25,510
another it's in it's in the first one

1985
01:39:31,530 --> 01:39:29,860
and also the fourth one okay okay and I

1986
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:31,540
think it's very interesting that the

1987
01:39:35,940 --> 01:39:34,150
name of one of your books is double

1988
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:35,950
heart since we were talking about the

1989
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:39,610
the statement that and that was from the

1990
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:42,010
Lakota Sioux that the reason that the

1991
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:45,370
each of those ages ended is when men

1992
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:47,650
became two-hearted which means infected

1993
01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:51,510
with evil so hmm and that's the theme in

1994
01:39:57,180 --> 01:39:55,270
in double heart right well that's very

1995
01:39:59,250 --> 01:39:57,190
interesting that the Blue Star is

1996
01:40:02,850 --> 01:39:59,260
dancing in the plaza and it's it's

1997
01:40:05,370 --> 01:40:02,860
related to a ship oh my we're in for

1998
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:05,380
some interesting times we're in the

1999
01:40:11,730 --> 01:40:08,650
middle of them that's true

2000
01:40:15,390 --> 01:40:11,740
you mentioned the Pauli effect related

2001
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:15,400
to Wolfgang Pauli can you explain what

2002
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:20,650
that is and yeah Pauli was a quantum

2003
01:40:27,570 --> 01:40:24,910
physicist scientist and anytime he

2004
01:40:30,150 --> 01:40:27,580
walked into a laboratory the equipment

2005
01:40:32,190 --> 01:40:30,160
broke down now here he is surrounded by

2006
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:32,200
other scientists who see this happen

2007
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:33,610
often enough so they started referring

2008
01:40:40,650 --> 01:40:38,650
to it as the Pauli effect and it was I

2009
01:40:44,220 --> 01:40:40,660
mean basically it's a telekinetic

2010
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:44,230
ability he had and it apparently

2011
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:47,050
happened enough so that people used to

2012
01:40:52,190 --> 01:40:49,840
joke about it in fact at one lab he

2013
01:40:54,570 --> 01:40:52,200
wasn't even allowed to come in

2014
01:40:55,860 --> 01:40:54,580
because of they were afraid that once he

2015
01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:55,870
entered the room everything would break

2016
01:41:01,020 --> 01:40:58,840
down that's amazing yeah it is I mean

2017
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:01,030
when you think about it that's a

2018
01:41:07,710 --> 01:41:03,040
terrible handicap to have if you're if

2019
01:41:12,690 --> 01:41:07,720
you work in a lab yeah and what's

2020
01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:12,700
interesting is in 2012 we were asked to

2021
01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:16,750
be on William Shatner's what was a weird

2022
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:18,550
or what I think it was show is called

2023
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:21,070
and what they do with that weirder watch

2024
01:41:26,130 --> 01:41:24,490
shows they film each segment separately

2025
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:26,140
so you don't really know what the full

2026
01:41:37,290 --> 01:41:33,100
story is and we flew to Toronto I should

2027
01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:37,300
backtrack first Paulie spent most of his

2028
01:41:45,110 --> 01:41:40,870
life puzzling over the numbers 137 which

2029
01:41:48,180 --> 01:41:45,120
is considered to be the DNA of light and

2030
01:41:52,710 --> 01:41:48,190
he he just he never could find the right

2031
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:52,720
answer and at the age of 58 when he had

2032
01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:54,130
to go to the hospital for some routine

2033
01:42:01,410 --> 01:41:56,920
surgery and he saw that he was gonna be

2034
01:42:03,630 --> 01:42:01,420
in room 137 he told his friends I won't

2035
01:42:07,620 --> 01:42:03,640
be leaving the hospital and it was true

2036
01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:07,630
he died Wow so when we got to Toronto we

2037
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:09,400
were supposed to talk about the Pauli

2038
01:42:13,550 --> 01:42:11,890
effect and we didn't know that this that

2039
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:13,560
the way they were structuring the show

2040
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:17,470
was that they were using that maybe the

2041
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:20,320
Pauli effect had some facet of mind

2042
01:42:24,810 --> 01:42:23,050
control to it because this had to do

2043
01:42:27,630 --> 01:42:24,820
with a woman who was having these

2044
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:27,640
strange experiences and so one of their

2045
01:42:31,230 --> 01:42:29,170
theories was maybe somebody's trying to

2046
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,240
control her mind so we come in to

2047
01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:34,080
Toronto the first thing we see is this

2048
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:37,120
the limo we were in stops and stop like

2049
01:42:43,530 --> 01:42:39,730
I look out the window and they're on a

2050
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,540
storefront is that number 137 yeah I

2051
01:42:47,490 --> 01:42:45,280
thought it was very large yeah it was

2052
01:42:51,180 --> 01:42:47,500
huge we were stuck in a traffic jam and

2053
01:42:53,220 --> 01:42:51,190
just right next to this huge 137 and it

2054
01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:53,230
appeared two or three times during our

2055
01:42:58,140 --> 01:42:56,590
repeatedly yes and it was you know we

2056
01:43:01,470 --> 01:42:58,150
were there to talk about Paulie and that

2057
01:43:03,180 --> 01:43:01,480
was his death number you know so that

2058
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:03,190
that was one synchronously associated

2059
01:43:06,890 --> 01:43:04,110
with that that was just

2060
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:06,900
very strange I mean and we've had a

2061
01:43:12,260 --> 01:43:10,650
number of other anyway that this number

2062
01:43:14,510 --> 01:43:12,270
followed us throughout the two days and

2063
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:14,520
in Toronto it was just incredibly

2064
01:43:19,570 --> 01:43:16,020
strange Wow

2065
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:19,580
that was my other cat knocking down

2066
01:43:24,859 --> 01:43:23,460
catnip mine just left the window and I'm

2067
01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:24,869
hoping he doesn't come jump on the

2068
01:43:32,750 --> 01:43:26,550
keyboard cuz he'll probably disconnect

2069
01:43:34,669 --> 01:43:32,760
me going back to - UFO sightings and

2070
01:43:37,459 --> 01:43:34,679
relating them to other kinds of

2071
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:37,469
phenomena you do mention in towards the

2072
01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:39,570
end of the book that there's several

2073
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:43,500
different theories or hypotheses to

2074
01:43:49,459 --> 01:43:46,530
account well not to account for them to

2075
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:49,469
explain them not necessarily explain

2076
01:43:54,530 --> 01:43:51,840
them away but to sort of try and explain

2077
01:43:56,689 --> 01:43:54,540
how they work and some of these actually

2078
01:43:58,970 --> 01:43:56,699
overlap with other paranormal things

2079
01:44:01,100 --> 01:43:58,980
like like ghosts and afterlife and

2080
01:44:03,379 --> 01:44:01,110
things like that and I just wanted to

2081
01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:03,389
take a few minutes we've got about Oh a

2082
01:44:09,260 --> 01:44:06,540
little bit of 10 or 12 minutes left now

2083
01:44:11,450 --> 01:44:09,270
in the show and I just wanted to take a

2084
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:11,460
little bit of time and talk about each

2085
01:44:18,129 --> 01:44:14,310
one of these and get your opinion about

2086
01:44:20,930 --> 01:44:18,139
how you feel the two of you how these

2087
01:44:23,180 --> 01:44:20,940
relate to what you've been all the

2088
01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:23,190
things you know about UFO sightings in

2089
01:44:29,140 --> 01:44:25,380
the abductees and the first one is

2090
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,150
visitors from our own future time travel

2091
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:32,239
that's an interesting theory and it's

2092
01:44:39,550 --> 01:44:36,449
it's it's a possibility that that we're

2093
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:39,560
being visited by ourselves in the future

2094
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:44,040
one of the things that the greys have

2095
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:48,780
said to people telepathically is that

2096
01:44:58,609 --> 01:44:52,679
they have a right to do what they're

2097
01:45:03,640 --> 01:44:58,619
doing taking them and that could be one

2098
01:45:07,129 --> 01:45:03,650
explanation but this would be a future

2099
01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:07,139
that would be very far in the future I

2100
01:45:14,359 --> 01:45:11,190
would hope that if if we end up evolving

2101
01:45:16,399 --> 01:45:14,369
into these little gray beings I mean

2102
01:45:21,949 --> 01:45:16,409
that seems like the devil

2103
01:45:24,469 --> 01:45:21,959
- beans also could be like robots yeah

2104
01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:24,479
you know by bio robots mm-hmm

2105
01:45:30,409 --> 01:45:28,619
a place for the awareness to reside that

2106
01:45:33,169 --> 01:45:30,419
merely need to yeah that's a thought

2107
01:45:35,770 --> 01:45:33,179
uh-huh not a very attractive choice but

2108
01:45:39,169 --> 01:45:35,780
no and because they don't seem to have

2109
01:45:40,729 --> 01:45:39,179
emotions mm-hmm you know the way at

2110
01:45:44,540 --> 01:45:40,739
least from what people have described to

2111
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:44,550
us well what you were just describing

2112
01:45:50,449 --> 01:45:48,570
about traveling through time is related

2113
01:45:54,169 --> 01:45:50,459
to I guess I could put these two points

2114
01:45:56,689 --> 01:45:54,179
together and multiverses or multiple

2115
01:46:02,060 --> 01:45:56,699
dimensions and parallel or alternate

2116
01:46:03,469 --> 01:46:02,070
universes and realities well I mean it

2117
01:46:06,489 --> 01:46:03,479
doesn't kind of hold on with string

2118
01:46:09,739 --> 01:46:06,499
theory well that was another one

2119
01:46:11,899 --> 01:46:09,749
together you know the the multi the

2120
01:46:14,569 --> 01:46:11,909
multiverse that for every every choice

2121
01:46:19,089 --> 01:46:14,579
you make the choice you didn't make is a

2122
01:46:24,500 --> 01:46:21,890
then they the last one is the afterlife

2123
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:24,510
maybe and plus I've heard people say

2124
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,449
well that's ghosts are really not ghosts

2125
01:46:31,909 --> 01:46:29,280
they're coming from another dimension or

2126
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:31,919
another reality so what do you think

2127
01:46:40,549 --> 01:46:34,530
about the afterlife is an explanation

2128
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:40,559
well they could there's been experiences

2129
01:46:46,879 --> 01:46:43,050
that people have had where they've been

2130
01:46:51,250 --> 01:46:46,889
in abducted in contact with alien beings

2131
01:46:55,819 --> 01:46:51,260
and they've also seen deceased relatives

2132
01:46:58,419 --> 01:46:55,829
with them and so the question is is this

2133
01:47:04,100 --> 01:46:58,429
something is this a screen memory that

2134
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:04,110
the that the the beings have put there

2135
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:07,650
or are they in that same realm as the

2136
01:47:12,259 --> 01:47:09,449
dead maybe they don't see the dead as

2137
01:47:15,049 --> 01:47:12,269
the dead Whitley Strieber thinks that's

2138
01:47:19,549 --> 01:47:15,059
the case that there is a definite

2139
01:47:22,759 --> 01:47:19,559
connection with the dead and and these

2140
01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:22,769
beings and that they they move through

2141
01:47:27,690 --> 01:47:23,580
that real

2142
01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:27,700
very interesting a couple of questions

2143
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:28,780
from the chat room

2144
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:31,600
what will the fourth world bring I kept

2145
01:47:36,090 --> 01:47:33,850
thinking in terms of the Hopi

2146
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:36,100
nomenclature what will that fourth world

2147
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:42,970
bring hmm that's uh that's a good

2148
01:47:54,450 --> 01:47:45,010
question that's a good question

2149
01:47:59,160 --> 01:47:54,460
prom we could be living years there's an

2150
01:48:03,420 --> 01:47:59,170
analogy here some years ago a writer and

2151
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:03,430
a researcher Helen Wambach did a session

2152
01:48:08,610 --> 01:48:05,890
in Europe with a number of different

2153
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:08,620
groups of people and she progressed them

2154
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:11,440
into the future and they saw three

2155
01:48:19,470 --> 01:48:14,530
different scenarios one in which people

2156
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:19,480
lived in space on you know planets

2157
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:22,960
another where people lived in domes

2158
01:48:30,450 --> 01:48:25,690
because the environment was so toxic and

2159
01:48:33,170 --> 01:48:30,460
then there was a third one that was like

2160
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:33,180
they lived in caverns or something and

2161
01:48:41,850 --> 01:48:36,430
so I don't know the fort I mean every

2162
01:48:43,770 --> 01:48:41,860
culture has its what's coming I remember

2163
01:48:48,150 --> 01:48:43,780
what Trish's talking about one of those

2164
01:48:51,630 --> 01:48:48,160
was very technically advanced that's why

2165
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:51,640
I was but another was very psychically

2166
01:49:00,360 --> 01:48:57,090
advanced where people had superior

2167
01:49:05,480 --> 01:49:00,370
intuitive abilities and that they were

2168
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:05,490
very commonplace for precognition

2169
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:09,760
telepathy all the different aspects of

2170
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:16,690
of psychic abilities were more more more

2171
01:49:24,930 --> 01:49:21,600
developed that's that's been such a

2172
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:24,940
dilemma that's been going on since

2173
01:49:30,570 --> 01:49:28,080
probably the beginning of our species is

2174
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:30,580
I've always thought of it as you've got

2175
01:49:37,110 --> 01:49:34,210
two horses leading you know harness

2176
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:37,120
together and one is the logic and rash

2177
01:49:42,150 --> 01:49:39,490
and the other one right is compassion

2178
01:49:44,340 --> 01:49:42,160
and intuition and you've got to let the

2179
01:49:48,510 --> 01:49:44,350
two of them pull equally together are

2180
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:48,520
you you're gonna ruin yourself that you

2181
01:49:54,330 --> 01:49:51,970
can't go anywhere it'll be a debacle and

2182
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:54,340
yet that's something even today that's

2183
01:50:00,030 --> 01:49:56,410
something I think many people struggle

2184
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:00,040
with every day yeah I mean if we can't

2185
01:50:05,210 --> 01:50:03,130
live in a holistic sense you know with

2186
01:50:09,180 --> 01:50:05,220
left and right brain working together

2187
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:09,190
then we probably are screwed yeah and

2188
01:50:12,660 --> 01:50:10,930
that kind of explains what's going on

2189
01:50:16,110 --> 01:50:12,670
around us right yeah I think it does

2190
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:16,120
yeah here's another interesting question

2191
01:50:20,850 --> 01:50:17,770
from the chat room and I've never heard

2192
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:20,860
this particular hypothesis before this

2193
01:50:25,290 --> 01:50:22,510
is gonna this is very interesting

2194
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:25,300
could one of the reasons that these ETS

2195
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,480
take people from the planet is to

2196
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:31,360
develop antibodies for themselves to be

2197
01:50:38,490 --> 01:50:36,850
able to survive here wow that's that's

2198
01:50:41,580 --> 01:50:38,500
certainly possible

2199
01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:41,590
that's uh that's the possibility is that

2200
01:50:49,380 --> 01:50:44,470
before no I I haven't either but you

2201
01:50:53,780 --> 01:50:49,390
have to wonder how they can exist in our

2202
01:50:56,730 --> 01:50:53,790
atmosphere when they're from someplace

2203
01:51:00,000 --> 01:50:56,740
totally different if they if that's the

2204
01:51:03,210 --> 01:51:00,010
case and one of the theories is the

2205
01:51:07,410 --> 01:51:03,220
greys are actually wearing skins and

2206
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,420
these these black large black eyes are

2207
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:09,520
not their actual eyes but there are a

2208
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:12,850
protective lens that are over their eyes

2209
01:51:18,290 --> 01:51:16,090
and so they might actually look like

2210
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:18,300
something else underneath these

2211
01:51:23,370 --> 01:51:21,250
protective skins they're wearing that

2212
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,380
makes sense I mean that that makes a lot

2213
01:51:27,330 --> 01:51:25,360
more sense than well that's just my

2214
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:27,340
opinion but I was going to say it makes

2215
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:29,770
more sense in alien autopsies in finding

2216
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:31,090
out they've got green blood and that's

2217
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,530
definitely at least to me it does so

2218
01:51:38,370 --> 01:51:36,880
what I don't know though is really what

2219
01:51:40,110 --> 01:51:38,380
all does the government know do they

2220
01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:40,120
just have bits and pieces and they try

2221
01:51:46,440 --> 01:51:42,510
and fit all these old pieces together

2222
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:46,450
it's it's curious now now have the two

2223
01:51:50,700 --> 01:51:48,250
of you or either one of you separately

2224
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:50,710
have not written a book about that yet

2225
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:53,290
if you haven't I heartily suggest that

2226
01:51:58,770 --> 01:51:57,070
you consider that well after aliens in

2227
01:52:02,220 --> 01:51:58,780
the backyard came out and we went on

2228
01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:02,230
coast-to-coast no I know it was it was

2229
01:52:06,150 --> 01:52:03,820
when we first started publishing the

2230
01:52:09,260 --> 01:52:06,160
Charles Fontaine series was is a nine

2231
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:09,270
part series about his abduction and

2232
01:52:14,940 --> 01:52:12,610
encounter we started getting hits from

2233
01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:14,950
every acronym government agency

2234
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:17,230
including the canadian royal mounted

2235
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:19,810
police who stayed on the blog for like

2236
01:52:26,130 --> 01:52:23,290
eight hours he had to be assigned it

2237
01:52:28,380 --> 01:52:26,140
wasn't just like a secretary messing

2238
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:28,390
around on the internet browsing this was

2239
01:52:33,930 --> 01:52:31,360
somebody who was assigned to look at

2240
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:33,940
this case that we had described in

2241
01:52:40,530 --> 01:52:37,090
detail about the couple in quebec who

2242
01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:40,540
had this experience in their backyard I

2243
01:52:43,410 --> 01:52:42,040
mean we had Homeland Security the FBI

2244
01:52:47,610 --> 01:52:43,420
the CIA

2245
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:47,620
I guess government agencies have to show

2246
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:51,250
who they are in terms of urals so that's

2247
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:55,570
how we knew that is a an interesting

2248
01:53:01,670 --> 01:52:57,730
thing it seems like if you come up with

2249
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:01,680
anything related to out of the ordinary

2250
01:53:07,530 --> 01:53:04,390
paranormal extraordinary kinds of

2251
01:53:09,870 --> 01:53:07,540
phenomena people are watching you I know

2252
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:09,880
someone who said that he's been followed

2253
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:14,560
you know by a car and I wouldn't so far

2254
01:53:18,570 --> 01:53:16,930
he hasn't been threatened but it's

2255
01:53:20,820 --> 01:53:18,580
there's definitely a feeling the

2256
01:53:22,410 --> 01:53:20,830
person's gonna stay on his back bumper

2257
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:22,420
and follow him around and that's just

2258
01:53:30,030 --> 01:53:27,330
creepy that's on ya that's on ya we had

2259
01:53:33,630 --> 01:53:30,040
experience about three years ago where

2260
01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:33,640
we had three of our computers were just

2261
01:53:40,830 --> 01:53:36,030
totally destroyed we were under attack

2262
01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:40,840
our blog was taken over and if this

2263
01:53:46,670 --> 01:53:42,820
person went on who took over the blog

2264
01:53:49,650 --> 01:53:46,680
and wrote an apology to himself

2265
01:53:50,130 --> 01:53:49,660
supposedly from me and it was just

2266
01:53:51,899 --> 01:53:50,140
terrible

2267
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:51,909
I mean yes

2268
01:53:56,250 --> 01:53:54,610
it cost us thousands of dollars yeah it

2269
01:53:58,439 --> 01:53:56,260
is an invasion it's like being raped

2270
01:54:02,640 --> 01:53:58,449
we're seeing that your book and that

2271
01:54:05,459 --> 01:54:02,650
that's just really ridiculous and inside

2272
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:05,469
of our computers and they even went to

2273
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:09,489
the you know the old Windows computer

2274
01:54:15,870 --> 01:54:12,610
the the initial word that you have to

2275
01:54:18,089 --> 01:54:15,880
put in the key word I can't think what

2276
01:54:20,129 --> 01:54:18,099
it was called to turn on the computer he

2277
01:54:24,270 --> 01:54:20,139
changed that so I couldn't even turn on

2278
01:54:26,609 --> 01:54:24,280
the computer oh nice and what are you

2279
01:54:28,620 --> 01:54:26,619
saying he was physically geographically

2280
01:54:30,689 --> 01:54:28,630
where you were II did this long distance

2281
01:54:34,620 --> 01:54:30,699
so we knew who he was he was a computer

2282
01:54:36,509 --> 01:54:34,630
guy he was a hacker and he was a member

2283
01:54:39,330 --> 01:54:36,519
of a skeptic society and he got ticked

2284
01:54:43,709 --> 01:54:39,340
off about the stuff we were writing

2285
01:54:45,540 --> 01:54:43,719
about Wow Wow so be forewarned if you're

2286
01:54:46,949 --> 01:54:45,550
gonna be on the bleeding edge on the

2287
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:46,959
cutting edge it's the bleeding edge

2288
01:54:52,859 --> 01:54:51,010
right yeah yeah well Robin Trish were

2289
01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:52,869
just about out of time

2290
01:54:57,629 --> 01:54:55,209
I'm gonna make some announcements again

2291
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:57,639
to to talk about the book that we've got

2292
01:55:02,489 --> 01:55:00,639
coming out but I'd like to know are you

2293
01:55:05,219 --> 01:55:02,499
working on a book right now either one

2294
01:55:07,169 --> 01:55:05,229
of you yeah I am I'm working on a I've

2295
01:55:09,239 --> 01:55:07,179
got a astrology book coming out in

2296
01:55:17,549 --> 01:55:09,249
September called unlocking the secrets

2297
01:55:19,439 --> 01:55:17,559
to Scorpio why did you pick that for the

2298
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:19,449
topic well that was what the publisher

2299
01:55:22,890 --> 01:55:21,130
picked and the guy who owns the company

2300
01:55:25,259 --> 01:55:22,900
is a Scorpio so I guess he wanted to

2301
01:55:28,350 --> 01:55:25,269
know every and he's married to a Scorpio

2302
01:55:30,659 --> 01:55:28,360
and has two Scorpio children oh wow

2303
01:55:34,799 --> 01:55:30,669
that's that's an interesting house hole

2304
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:34,809
I'm RPO and I can tell you stories so

2305
01:55:39,060 --> 01:55:36,639
that's I'll be looking for that book

2306
01:55:42,439 --> 01:55:39,070
definitely be looking for that book and

2307
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:42,449
I'm working on a novel right now that

2308
01:55:52,259 --> 01:55:49,689
involves multiple dimensions the our

2309
01:55:53,380 --> 01:55:52,269
normal everyday world and a dream world

2310
01:55:58,480 --> 01:55:53,390
and all

2311
01:56:00,940 --> 01:55:58,490
two and two merged together now Dominion

2312
01:56:04,420 --> 01:56:00,950
say a little bit more about that say

2313
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:04,430
that again with other words it's

2314
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:07,490
difficult to describe because what's

2315
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:11,210
happening in this it relates to a

2316
01:56:19,590 --> 01:56:14,650
phenomenon called Tulpas tapas are

2317
01:56:24,750 --> 01:56:19,600
creatures that supposedly have been

2318
01:56:29,530 --> 01:56:24,760
created through deep meditation by

2319
01:56:32,020 --> 01:56:29,540
meditating monks in Tibet and there was

2320
01:56:35,530 --> 01:56:32,030
a book written in the 1930s about a

2321
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:35,540
researcher and Explorer who who stayed

2322
01:56:43,870 --> 01:56:40,010
who got into Lhasa and stayed in a

2323
01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:43,880
monastery and was actually trained and

2324
01:56:51,010 --> 01:56:48,190
was able to create a tool herself and

2325
01:56:53,650 --> 01:56:51,020
what happened is that is they had to

2326
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:53,660
find a way to destroy this tool because

2327
01:57:01,240 --> 01:56:58,130
it became independent and was out of

2328
01:57:04,210 --> 01:57:01,250
control and so I took that that was the

2329
01:57:07,930 --> 01:57:04,220
Nugget of the idea that I had that these

2330
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:07,940
tool paws basically were banished into

2331
01:57:13,300 --> 01:57:10,250
this dream world but they were they

2332
01:57:15,790 --> 01:57:13,310
learned to reproduce themselves in the

2333
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:15,800
same way that the monks had produced

2334
01:57:24,220 --> 01:57:20,090
them and then there the concept is that

2335
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:24,230
they want to take over the dream world

2336
01:57:30,370 --> 01:57:27,890
and as they do this there

2337
01:57:33,460 --> 01:57:30,380
what they're doing is trying to create

2338
01:57:35,860 --> 01:57:33,470
the the dream world becomes the real

2339
01:57:38,770 --> 01:57:35,870
world so I have two characters that are

2340
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:38,780
in our everyday world and two characters

2341
01:57:47,580 --> 01:57:41,770
that are in the dream world and the two

2342
01:57:54,630 --> 01:57:47,590
eventually emerge and the tool pisar are

2343
01:57:59,380 --> 01:57:54,640
taking over and are the and the whole

2344
01:58:01,960 --> 01:57:59,390
idea is that they have to somehow take

2345
01:58:05,170 --> 01:58:01,970
the world back from the tool puss Wow

2346
01:58:08,140 --> 01:58:05,180
Wow okay so that's two books it just

2347
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:08,150
went to the top of my list that I've met

2348
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:10,770
thank you so much for your time tonight

2349
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,370
and you I can't tell you how fascinating

2350
01:58:20,020 --> 01:58:16,800
it is talking to the two of you and I'm

2351
01:58:23,290 --> 01:58:20,030
sure I'm sure we're gonna do it again

2352
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:23,300
let me remind everybody real quickly

2353
01:58:27,950 --> 01:58:26,010
let's see Carol Carl is going to be

2354
01:58:30,500 --> 01:58:27,960
talking with Linda Godfrey next week

2355
01:58:31,850 --> 01:58:30,510
about the beast of Bray Road and the

2356
01:58:33,860 --> 01:58:31,860
week after that I'm going to be

2357
01:58:36,620 --> 01:58:33,870
interviewing Ken cherry about his new

2358
01:58:40,220 --> 01:58:36,630
book about the Stephenville UFO so

2359
01:58:42,590 --> 01:58:40,230
please come back and join us make a date

2360
01:58:45,170 --> 01:58:42,600
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2361
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:45,180
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2362
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:47,850
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2363
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,800
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2364
01:59:00,219 --> 01:58:54,800
very hard keeping me on track and

2365
01:59:04,669 --> 01:59:02,239
thank you for being with us tonight

2366
01:59:06,140 --> 01:59:04,679
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2367
01:59:08,899 --> 01:59:06,150
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2368
01:59:11,959 --> 01:59:08,909
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